Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIV

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volfan1631 said:
Kiffin wouldn't give a sh**
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Exactly. I hate him for crapping on UT & trying to steal players on the way out but (I would have NEVER said this 36hrs ago) because of where we are now I would take him & run. Both Lane & UT have limited options right now & it could make for strange bedfellows
 
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Behr said:
Lol, I'm glad Im not snorting whatever you are that makes you obsessed with with this stupit chit.
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Obsessed with reality?? I am guilty of that. I’m so sick of seeing the Gruden name for 5 years straight. Not happening. Let’s focus our energy at an attainable coach and try to crawl out of this orange and white landfill.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
Exactly what I’ve been saying. This fiasco is a serious black eye on the university and administration whether we want to believe it or not. I sent emails and signed the petitions too but I’m looking at this without my orange shades on and the national perception of this is an unprecedented revolt by fans that didn’t agree with a hire. Do any of you think any other decent coach is gonna take that same risk? This set us back years, maybe decades, or quite possibly killed this program. Fans did the right thing but this is not gonna end well.
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come on now. This isn't SMU, or Penn State. If those programs can survive UT isn't dying because a fanbase stood up.
 
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LAVol1 said:
UTVolinExile liked this, it was kind of late in the previous thread this morning, so I thought I would post it again for those who didn't see it.

My guess (condensed version), based on info here, at what happened:

A group of boosters wanted Jon Gruden as coach. The Haslems, Currie and Davenport feigned support of the initiative. The booster group proceed to gauge Gruden's interest and what it would take to get him to UT. They came to general agreement over three weeks ago and even celebrated the agreement on Thursday in Dunwoody, GA two weeks ago. While legal matters were being worked out, the Haslems, Currie and Davenport were pursuing their own agenda to maintain complete control of UT athletics. The Haslems, thinking they alone know what is best for UT, were enamored with Schiano when he previously interviewed for the Browns coaching job(this was before the release of the previously sealed testimony of the Sandusky case implicating Schiano, thus the lack of due diligence on Schiano, because they had already vetted him). They thought he was a better fit for UT than Gruden. They knew they couldn't sell Schiano to the other boosters, so they kept Currie and Davenport on a short leash and thought they could have the deal done before the other boosters could do anything about it. Once announced, the other boosters would be obliged to support their new coach. It would have worked except a member of the AD staff leaked the deal to other boosters and they mobilized the support of the UT BOT and legislators and Currie was forced to back down--for the time being.
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My thoughts exactly. I’ve told this same story multiple times today
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Now you know what kind of person Haslam is.
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**** Haslam! His problem is he wants to run UT just like a business. He wants to save money on the hire and will not pay what a good coach would need and does not want to give the coach the freedom and power over the football team and staff. I guess Gruden is probably out and hell I wouldn't blame him at this point.
 
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LAVol1 said:
UTVolinExile liked this, it was kind of late in the previous thread this morning, so I thought I would post it again for those who didn't see it.

My guess (condensed version), based on info here, at what happened:

A group of boosters wanted Jon Gruden as coach. The Haslems, Currie and Davenport feigned support of the initiative. The booster group proceed to gauge Gruden's interest and what it would take to get him to UT. They came to general agreement over three weeks ago and even celebrated the agreement on Thursday in Dunwoody, GA two weeks ago. While legal matters were being worked out, the Haslems, Currie and Davenport were pursuing their own agenda to maintain complete control of UT athletics. The Haslems, thinking they alone know what is best for UT, were enamored with Schiano when he previously interviewed for the Browns coaching job(this was before the release of the previously sealed testimony of the Sandusky case implicating Schiano, thus the lack of due diligence on Schiano, because they had already vetted him). They thought he was a better fit for UT than Gruden. They knew they couldn't sell Schiano to the other boosters, so they kept Currie and Davenport on a short leash and thought they could have the deal done before the other boosters could do anything about it. Once announced, the other boosters would be obliged to support their new coach. It would have worked except a member of the AD staff leaked the deal to other boosters and they mobilized the support of the UT BOT and legislators and Currie was forced to back down--for the time being.
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Atlanta Vol said in his post earlier that he was leaked the information from someone within OSU's AD. They texted him saying your guys are up here signing Schiano (something like that). Currie came close. Very, Very, Very close to pulling this off.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You know, it's not just the Penn State thing.

The man is not a good coach. Has the idiot media even stopped to think that perhaps it's a combination of completely undesirable traits that had Volnation in an uproar?

Again, why aren't they whining about UF passing him over? Why isn't be being mentioned in the ATM job opening? Arizona State? Moo State?

We were looking at Butch 2.0 with him at the helm.
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The bolded is what so many don't want to look at!!

Not a good coach, and with the additional baggage of PSU he doesn't need to be here! Not after TNs Title 9 lawsuit......

Holee crap, why people can't see this is beyond me.
 
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aaronvol said:
I am not saying that Schiano was a good hire. I don't at all. You can't touch a person who was involved with PSU during those years and not think it will come up. What I am saying is that we have unfortunately created a narrative that the reason we said "NO" to the hire is that we are morally upright...when in truth the main reason we were all angry is that the hire was horrible for a variety of reasons.
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This all day. And you can tell that the moral uprightness is listing badly from the number of people who seem to want to hire Bobby Petrino, Lane Kiffin and Art Briles. All three should be avoided like nuclear fallout. One even crapped all over us and left us holding a bag full of NCAA violations, and half our fan base is now saying, "Thank you, sir! May I have another?" Hire any one of those three with tacit approval from the fan base and we'll be rightfully called out as utter hypocrites and lose all claim to the moral high ground.

For the love of God, don't give up the moral high ground now! It's pretty much the only thing we have left as a fan base, even if it's not being acknowledged by the national media right now. In time, I think the outside world will look more highly on what the fan base has done here, once the initial shock and the CAA backside-covering and everything else has dissipated...unless we turn around and go hire one of those three clowns!
 
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As they said on the MidDay 180 on 104.5 The Zone today, Fulmer is going to have to be front and center with this search from now until we get someone hired. He is probably the only one with any credibility at this point. Currie (pending he still has the authority) is going to have to swallow his pride and ask PF for help...and I mean ASAP!!
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
D. Mcnabb on ESPN radio said after this debacle UT is last on the list of all open jobs. That’s why people are saying Tee. Because he might actually say yes. The big splash hires aren’t gonna happen now. JMO.
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volfan1631 said:
at this point we may actually be desperate, again. I agree with your buyout option
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May be desperate:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Obsessed with reality?? I am guilty of that. I’m so sick of seeing the Gruden name for 5 years straight. Not happening. Let’s focus our energy at an attainable coach and try to crawl out of this orange and white landfill.
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Well ignore the thread. It's not rocket surgery. Ignore thread button. The thread disappears just like being deleted.

I can't believe how stupid this is.
 
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Volstylexx said:
come on now. This isn't SMU, or Penn State. If those programs can survive UT isn't dying because a fanbase stood up.
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Ok. We’ll talk in 5 years. I desperately hope I’m wrong but UT is viewed as a volatile and irrelevant program right now by everyone that’s not a UT fan. This coaching search is not gonna end the way any of us want it to and it’s gonna fall further into the depths of irrelevance. Get ready.
Maybe my spirit is just shattered right now but I’m looking at this from a national level and not a passionate fan level.
 
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aaronvol said:
Bull. This whole thing that went down with Schiano had absolutely nothing to do with his past. The truth is that Tennessee fans didn't want him because we felt as though he was not a good enough of a coach to coach Tennessee. And that is probably true. That is why fans revolted. We were angry because it wasn't Gruden, Petersen, Patterson, etc. I have no problem saying, "We don't think GS is good enough of a coach for Tennessee," but to make all of this about an issue that you and I have absolutely no clue about and every court/lawyer/person involved has given passing remarks to GS in regards to this issue is shameful. Let's not make ourselves out to be heroes on some moral high ground when all it really was was that we wanted a better coach.
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Dude you read me perfectly. Are you a psychiatrist/psychologist? How did you come to that conclusion for a whole lot of people? I call narcissis....
 
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GhostVol said:
The bolded is what so many don't want to look at!!

Not a good coach, and with the additional baggage of PSU he doesn't need to be here! Not after TNs Title 9 lawsuit......

Holee crap, why people can't see this is beyond me.
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Completely agree. He is not a good head coach.
 
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