I was thinking this morning when I got up of all the time I spent in this one thread and a comment that was made by a poster who likes to come in a visit us to stir things up , he said something to the effect of this is just an echo chamber and thats why we believe so easily that its gruden or bust . Im a logical minded person open to all views and information so to be fair I went to the other threads and read whats there . We may very well be Batsh!t crazy in here , we may have wild assumptions and jump to conclusions trying to figure out if its Gruden or no Gruden but Ill say this .. there are some folks outside this thread that have lost their collective minds at a mediocrity level of acceptance that I just cant understand . I tried and failed to listen .. Ill stay here in my echo chamber from now on until its over .