Scott Frost or Dan Mullen??

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Miss State is where coaches go to die. Mullen has survived for awhile now. Get him to a better place, and he could unleash.
 
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Sowbug2000 said:
IMHO, Frost may not want to go "home".....hard to recruit to Nebraska these days.....and Norvell is a damn good coach. We could do worse. He may end up at Arkansas with his wife's family there.
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I'm not totally against Norvell, but I think he should be far down the list. We can do and deserve better.

Someone in another thread mentioned that he is reminiscent of Jones; riding the coat tails of someone else that already built a program up. He makes a valid point.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Frost will jump at the Nebraska job asap, so I'll say mullen. He's done more with less in the big boy league for a while now
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If Frost is jumping at the Nebraska job it should be after this season as they are 4-6 with games at Penn State and home VS Iowa. I think they will be making a HC change after going 4-8.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Jackie Sherrill needed 152 games in 13 seasons to get to 75 wins.

Mullen is likely going to do it in 10 seasons (if he stays for 2018) in 28-30 less games.....

But please tell me how Mullen and Sherrill are so similar.
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Is that the only way you can tell them apart? By looking at how long it takes them to get to the same number of wins? All you did was add up the total number of games Sherrill won and then used Mullen's current record to extrapolate. You forget that the last 3 years of the Sherrill tenure consisted of 2 seasons of 3 wins and 1 season of 2 wins, which heavily weighs the statistics in your favor.

At this point in both of their careers (9 seasons in at MSU), Sherrill had 58 wins. Mullen is sitting at 68. That's 10 more wins over 9 seasons. Now I'm no calculator, but Mullen is a little over a +1 win per season upgrade compared to Sherrill. I'd say that's pretty similar.
 
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PA Vol said:
I'm not totally against Norvell, but I think he should be far down the list. We can do and deserve better.

Someone in another thread mentioned that he is reminiscent of Jones; riding the coat tails of someone else that already built a program up. He makes a valid point.
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But I think he recruited Riley Ferguson and he's done great at Memphis....

He's hands down better than Butch....and young and hungry. My 2 cents.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Is that the only way you can tell them apart? By looking at how long it takes them to get to the same number of wins? All you did was add up the total number of games Sherrill won and then used Mullen's current record to extrapolate. You forget that the last 3 years of the Sherrill tenure consisted of 2 seasons of 3 wins and 1 season of 2 wins, which heavily weighs the statistics in your favor.

At this point in both of their careers (9 seasons in at MSU), Sherrill had 58 wins. Mullen is sitting at 68. That's 10 more wins over 9 seasons. Now I'm no calculator, but Mullen is a little over a +1 win per season upgrade compared to Sherrill. I'd say that's pretty similar.
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Look at rankings as well. Look at bowl appearances as well. Look at players put in the NFL as well. Hell, look at the level of competition in the SEC West now.

It’s absolutely amazing how crazy people. What’s even more insane is people treat Mullen’s gig at MSU as a negative on his ability. The fact of the matter is if he was currently an OC coming off 2 natty’s in 4 years with a Heisman winner QB and multiple offensive players put into the NFL, people would be clamoring for him.
 
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Frost-rumor:

John Currie flew to Cincinnati on October 7th to talk to Scott Frost. UCF playing Cincinnati. This is the week after the TN-Georgia game. I want to believe John Currie is ahead of the curve on this coaching change. He realizes he has to get this right.

Surely, Currie early in the process has gauged Gruden's interest.

Still think Tennessee is a much better job than Florida or Nebraska and believe Tennessee can offer more money.

Going out on a limb and think Currie surprises everyone and hires Scott Frost. Presser to name new coach November 27th.
 
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Odiodin said:
Franklin has built 2 programs from ruins and won the big10 last year while Mullen has ... gone to bowl games consistently?

I’m guessing Bo Pelini is your 2nd choice?
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Franklin at Vandy was not better than Mullen at State. Forgot where Franklin went to a BCS bowl or got the #1 ranking at Vandy.

Point is that Franklin with better talent (Penn State >>>>> Vandy) won even more than his record suggested at Vandy. Same would be true for Mullen if he came to Tennessee.


In regards to Bo Pelini, he likely needs to comeback to SEC as a DC for 1-2 years before he gets another big offer. However, could see him easily getting the Ole Miss job if he pursued it.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Look at rankings as well. Look at bowl appearances as well. Look at players put in the NFL as well. Hell, look at the level of competition in the SEC West now.

It’s absolutely amazing how crazy people. What’s even more insane is people treat Mullen’s gig at MSU as a negative on his ability. The fact of the matter is if he was currently an OC coming off 2 natty’s in 4 years with a Heisman winner QB and multiple offensive players put into the NFL, people would be clamoring for him.
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Gator, Music City, Liberty, Belk, St. Petersburg, and one appearance in the Orange Bowl.

Okay, what's impressive about that?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Franklin at Vandy was not better than Mullen at State. Forgot where Franklin went to a BCS bowl or got the #1 ranking at Vandy.

Point is that Franklin with better talent (Penn State >>>>> Vandy) won even more than his record suggested at Vandy. Same would be true for Mullen if he came to Tennessee.


In regards to Bo Pelini, he likely needs to comeback to SEC as a DC for 1-2 years before he gets another big offer. However, could see him easily getting the Ole Miss job if he pursued it.
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Right, I forgot about your crystal ball
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Gator, Music City, Liberty, Belk, St. Petersburg, and one appearance in the Orange Bowl.

Okay, what's impressive about that?
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That it's at Mississippi State, that happens to be in the SEC West during a period of time that was home to Nick Saban, Hugh Freeze, an LSU team that went to a NC, Johnny Manziel, and Cam Newton.

Not saying I'm sold on hiring Mullen, but don't throw shade at a pretty successful resume at a dump of a program.
 
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Frost - he may turn out to be a great HC

Mullen - already proved he isn't a great coach

I'd take a chance with Frost.
 
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jeffgordon said:
Frost-rumor:

John Currie flew to Cincinnati on October 7th to talk to Scott Frost. UCF playing Cincinnati. This is the week after the TN-Georgia game. I want to believe John Currie is ahead of the curve on this coaching change. He realizes he has to get this right.

Surely, Currie early in the process has gauged Gruden's interest.

Still think Tennessee is a much better job than Florida or Nebraska and believe Tennessee can offer more money.

Going out on a limb and think Currie surprises everyone and hires Scott Frost. Presser to name new coach November 27th.
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There were a bunch of the early Grumors going around back then that said the offer was there for Gruden, but if he turned it down, Frost was the next target. Makes me think this might have something to it . . .
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Gator, Music City, Liberty, Belk, St. Petersburg, and one appearance in the Orange Bowl.

Okay, what's impressive about that?
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MSU going to 6 bowls in 8 years while playing in the toughest division in football is pretty impressive.

Gotta be a millennial
 
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PA Vol said:
That it's at Mississippi State, that happens to be in the SEC West during a period of time that was home to Nick Saban, Hugh Freeze, an LSU team that went to a NC, Johnny Manziel, and Cam Newton.

Not saying I'm sold on hiring Mullen, but don't throw shade at a pretty successful resume at a dump of a program.
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A "pretty successful resume" is what has gotten us to the point we're at now, and have been at for almost a decade. I don't want "pretty successful". You can be as "pretty successful" as you want in the SECW, but we're going to be playing Alabama every year. The East is looking better and better now that Georgia is rolling on all cylinders, Florida is about to get a big hire, Muschamp is figuring things out at USC, Mizzou put 50 on us, and we already lost to Kentucky. I don't want "pretty successful"
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Right, I forgot about your crystal ball
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Tennessee has sucked while having an easier schedule and better talent than Miss State.

Butch underachieved and Mullen has overachieved given how horrible MSU was prior to his hire.

Mullen also has a track record of developing players. Tennessee doesn’t have that.

Give Mullen an easier schedule and better talent that he can develop and he will win big here.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
A "pretty successful resume" is what has gotten us to the point we're at now, and have been at for almost a decade. I don't want "pretty successful". You can be as "pretty successful" as you want in the SECW, but we're going to be playing Alabama every year. The East is looking better and better now that Georgia is rolling on all cylinders, Florida is about to get a big hire, Muschamp is figuring things out at USC, Mizzou put 50 on us, and we already lost to Kentucky. I don't want "pretty successful"
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We haven’t hired anyone with a “pretty successful resume” since Fulmer.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Tennessee has sucked while having an easier schedule and better talent than Miss State.

Butch underachieved and Mullen has overachieved given how horrible MSU was prior to his hire.

Mullen also has a track record of developing players. Tennessee doesn’t have that.

Give Mullen an easier schedule and better talent that he can develop and he will win big here.
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Average SOS for Mullen while at MSU = 4.42

Average SOS for Butch while at Tenn = 5.07

Go on....

Edit: if a rating of 0 is "average", then a more positive (+) number indicates a more difficult schedule, while a negative (-) number would denote an easier schedule than "average"
 
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