Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLII

[nicksjuzunk]

And you want 14-7 Scott Frost who has no ranked wins at a mid major school that out talents everyone they play?

Yes

Yes I do

But it looks like he’s going to kill at Nebraska which is great. I can be a fan and we will probably rarely cross paths

 

[orangeB]

 

[Face]

Yes

Yes I do

But it looks like he’s going to kill at Nebraska which is great. I can be a fan and we will probably rarely cross paths

I don’t get the man crush every one has on frost. Yes, he’s having success. He’s crushing against the spread.

Why do we think he can do that when you’re not playing with scrubs, your have elite athletes playing against elite athletes, against elite coaching week in and week out?

If you extrapolate the season he’s having this year onto where he ends up... duh.. he’s the ultimate success. But that’s not how it works.

 

[MrVolton]

Betlonline has removed the UF coaching search. Chip Kelly to Florida.

If Florida gets Frost, Taggart, or Norvell, I'd be tickled to land Mullen. But if Florida gets Kelly, we better get Gruden.

 

[Catbone]

guys, it’s ok to notice the smoke, connect the dots and have faith what some are saying. It’s happening this time.

#believe

😂🤣🤣

 

[Nash_Vol97]

From the gruden thread:

Basilio was recording a podcast tonight and during it he gets a text. It read "My father was at basketball game tonight and was told by 2 movers and shakers that the deal with Gruden was finalized Wednesday night". Basilio then says "if I told who this is texting me you guys would freak out".

(For the record I put no credence in Basilio, but I figured I would still bring it over)

 

[MrVolton]

prayers please guys. I'm at parkwest. My kidneys arent functioning and i start dialysis tomorrow morning

🙏🏻

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I don’t get the man crush every one has on frost. Yes, he’s having success. He’s crushing against the spread.

Why do we think he can do that when you’re not playing with scrubs, your have elite athletes playing against elite athletes, against elite coaching week in and week out?

If you extrapolate the season he’s having this year onto where he ends up... duh.. he’s the ultimate success. But that’s not how it works.

It’s more than just his record so far. His coaching tree PLUS what we see every Saturday leads me to certain conclusions

 

[nicksjuzunk]

From the gruden thread:

Basilio was recording a podcast tonight and during it he gets a text. It read "My father was at basketball game tonight and was told by 2 movers and shakers that the deal with Gruden was finalized Wednesday night". Basilio then says "if I told who this is texting me you guys would freak out".

(For the record I put no credence in Basilio, but I figured I would still bring it over)

Finalized with no job opening

 

[Face]

It’s more than just his record so far. His coaching tree PLUS what we see every Saturday leads me to certain conclusions

Explain those things. And I’m not pulling a Bruin here. I don’t get to watch as much football as I used to. Usually barely manage to squeeze in Ut games. I genuinely don’t know. And I would like to because frost is way more realistic in my mind than gruden, Kelly, or Mullen.

What’s the coaching tree situation and why is having success in a garbage conference against minimal talent and mediocre coaching worth giving him the reigns to the program? I mean... Butch Jones won his conference 4 times in 6 years of being a HC before he came here and learned big time football is way out of his league.

 

[Orange Studs]

Jo’burg and Port Elizabeth. Be my first time. Business trip so I will mostly be in hotels and conference rooms. But the folks I’m meeting with are taking me out to eat in both places and I expect they will show me around some. Should be fun.

You will have fun bro. If you get the change do eat you some Kingclip fish. Best I have had in any country. Take it all in and enjoy its history. And oh when they say go to the robot and turn left, don't be looking for robots like I did only to find out that's what they call their traffic lights. lol Praying for your safe trip.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Betting we surprise some people on the basketball court this year. Just about every player looked better, especially Bowden, Richardson, and Schofield. Looks like we have talent and depth.

Looks like we finally have a bit of size and depth at post as well. Still not quite where we need to be, but in a much better position than last year.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Finalized with no job opening

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

2015, 9-4.

0 ranked wins.

If we want to see what that would have looked like here in 2015, just to compare apples to apples, we had 9 wins too. We need to change some losses and wins though, because we actually beat some ranked teams.

So Vols lose to UGA and Northwestern in the bowl, but pick up victories against Arkansas and Florida.

Given our misery against FLorida, most Vol fans would probably take that, lol.

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Let's see what 9-4 this season would look like for Tennessee with no ranked wins, and see how the contentment level would be:

GT
Ind. State
UMASS
USCe
KY
Mizzou
Vandy
Southern MISS
Win vs unranked bowl opponent.

Losses to FL, UGA, Bama, LSU

This is generally what Dan Mullen is producing.

If we’d had a season like this, you’d still be on the Butch bus 😂


Mullen wouldn’t be a homerun hire. But he’d have around 9 wins a season and if we pair him with the right DC and he finds another QB, we could make a run.


Your animosity towards Mullen is downright puzzling. Do you think guys like Frost would have done that much better in Starkville if he’d taken over at the same time?


I get it, people want someone who they think will have us perennially in the playoff race, but there just aren’t that many coaches capable of that out there. There are like 3-4 tier one coaches in CFB right now and all of those guys are set at their current jobs. The chances of finding the next one aren’t good no matter how you slice it. Frost looks like he may the next one, but he could always turn out to be the next Brian Kelly or Charlie Strong as well.


Mullen wouldn’t be a sexy hire, but he’s the biggest known quality we could be after with a high floor. We could do a lot worse.

 

[Face]

Finalized with no job opening

Nothing is final till he’s at the podium. But all the technical legal items people throw around is garbage. You can draft a document that allows you to do almost anything. You could create a 2nd head coach position. You could create a position in athletics called “administrative coach to become football coach once current football coach is terminated.”

All that’s possible.

That said, basilio is totally FOS.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Completely disagree.

Perception of Tennessee is really bad. As someone said, we are viewed as Vandy. A Tennessee offer does not carry the weight it once did. People who think that Tennessee recruits itself I think are missing out on the shift that has happened.

In the SEC, Tennessee is in the company of UK, Vandy, SC, Mizzou... with SC and Mizzou having MUCH more recent success to sell.

And yet we’ve had better recruiting success than those schools for 4 years straight.

Going into this season with a coach who was obviously going to be fired, we were too 10 even.


But please, tell me how it’s harder to recruit at Tennessee than USCe, UK, Vandy, and Missou lol

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I don’t get the man crush every one has on frost. Yes, he’s having success. He’s crushing against the spread.

Why do we think he can do that when you’re not playing with scrubs, your have elite athletes playing against elite athletes, against elite coaching week in and week out?

If you extrapolate the season he’s having this year onto where he ends up... duh.. he’s the ultimate success. But that’s not how it works.

Pretty much the reason I think comparisons of him to Urban at Utah are really premature. Urban was beating P5 teams handily at Utah and Bowling Green. None of them were exceptionally good teams, but when you’re a G5 school, beating an 8 win Oregon, Cal, and A&M is super impressive.


Frost’s team looks good this year, but they haven’t really played anybody. I love his track record and think he’ll be a good coach (if take him without thinking twice), but I wanna see how his team does against a big boy school before I start comparing him to any of the tier 1 coaches out there.


Edit: Just to go a bit further depth into how impressive Meyer’s track record was pre-UF:

2001 BGSU
In 2001, he took over a BGSU team that was 2-9 the previous season and hadn’t won more than 5 games in since 1994.
In his first year as a HC, he went 8-3 and beat two P5 teams, Mizzou and Northwestern. Neither were good teams that year, but both would have been expected to beat BGSU heading into the season. BGSU was Mizzou’s warm up game week 1.
2002 BGSU
His second year at BGSU, he went 9-3 and again beat two bad P5 teams in Kansas and Mizzou.

2003 Utah
Utah was much better than BGSU was when Urban got there. They’d gone 5-6 in 2002 and 4-7 in 2000, but had gone 8-4 in 2001 and 9-3 in 1999. Urban’s first year there, they played went 10-2. They beat an 8-6 Cal 31-24 and an 8-5 Oregon team 17-13. Their two losses a 28-26 loss to a (bad at the time) A&M in week 2 and an inexplicable 35-47 loss to an OK New Mexico team. They beat Southern Miss in the Liberty Bowl and ended ranked 21st in the nation.

2004 Utah
Utah went undefeated with wins over 3 or 4 P5 teams (depends on whether you count Pitt, who was in the Big East at a time when 2 of the conference’s members would go on to become G5 schools). They beat a 7-5 A&M 41-21, a 3-8 Arizona 23-6, a 6-6 UNC 46-16, and an 8-4 Pitt 35-7 in the Fiesta Bowl.




Frost's best win to date was UCF's 40-13 thrashing of Memphis. I do think it's unfair to hold scheduling against him (especially since the GT game was hurricane'd out), but it's hard to tell just how good UCF really is because of their scheduling.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

This is my point, friend.

He beats who he should beat, and pretty much no one else.

Finishes around 4th in his division annually.

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Yep

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Does anyone know if diyalis is painful? I go at 9 for the cath then DI right after. Really scared. I'm only 24

Hey man...my job was to take Medicaid clients with no personal transport to dialysis and chemo and such. Don't worry you will be fine. I'm not going to mislead you, It is not going to be pleasant, but you will learn how to manage the effects over time. Listen to what they tell you, and be vocal about adverse effects you are feeling.

 

[Maxwell]

Be praying for you rocktopper.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

If we’d had a season like this, you’d still be on the Butch bus 😂


Mullen wouldn’t be a homerun hire. But he’d have around 9 wins a season and if we pair him with the right DC and he finds another QB, we could make a run.


Your animosity towards Mullen is downright puzzling. Do you think guys like Frost would have done that much better in Starkville if he’d taken over at the same time?


I get it, people want someone who they think will have us perennially in the playoff race, but there just aren’t that many coaches capable of that out there. There are like 3-4 tier one coaches in CFB right now and all of those guys are set at their current jobs. The chances of finding the next one aren’t good no matter how you slice it. Frost looks like he may the next one, but he could always turn out to be the next Brian Kelly or Charlie Strong as well.


Mullen wouldn’t be a sexy hire, but he’s the biggest known quality we could be after with a high floor. We could do a lot worse.

Respectfully...

1. I would not be on the Butch bus. My standard is beating everyone not in our big 3, being at the very least competitive against the big 3, and depending on ups and downs of each program I need at least a win each season against those. General expectations at least.

2. Frost is pure speculation. Could be wrong. He will not coach here though, so I’ve mostly dropped that

3. Not animosity against Mullen. I’ve stated many times he is an upgrade, and that I could be wrong, but I certainly build my case against him. I dialogue with those who oppose my views and concede good points. Freely admit my projection may be wrong

4. You yourself state he is no home run. Personally, I want a homerun and you may say this is the crux of my argument against him

5. Saying we could do worse is not my standard. Can we do better? If so, do it

 

[5FingerVolPunch]

From the gruden thread:

Basilio was recording a podcast tonight and during it he gets a text. It read "My father was at basketball game tonight and was told by 2 movers and shakers that the deal with Gruden was finalized Wednesday night". Basilio then says "if I told who this is texting me you guys would freak out".

(For the record I put no credence in Basilio, but I figured I would still bring it over)

In case you want to see it with your own eyes. I agree Basilio is a tool, but he has been one of the most vocal people out there that there is 0% chance Gruden will coach at UT and has laughed at anyone who says otherwise. That makes this very interesting.

It’s on his Twitter Page. Try this link. It’s near the end, maybe around 4-5 minutes to go.

Twitter

 

[5FingerVolPunch]

Also this. Do you think Swain is credible?

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Trivia alert

From 2009 to 2016 Alabama is 8-0 against MSU with a score of 250-63, a diff of 187 pts
From 2009 to 2016 Alabama is 8-0 against UTK with a score of 281-93, a diff of 188 pts

Avg MSU game 7.875 - 31.250 = 23.375 margin of Bama win
Avg UTK game 11.625 - 35.125 = 23.500 margin of Bama win

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Trivia alert

From 2009 to 2016 Alabama is 8-0 against MSU with a score of 250-63, a diff of 187 pts
From 2009 to 2016 Alabama is 8-0 against UTK with a score of 281-93, a diff of 188 pts

Avg MSU game 7.875 - 31.250 = 23.375 margin of Bama win
Avg UTK game 11.625 - 35.125 = 23.500 margin of Bama win

Stat me this, stat master...

What FBS teams are currently in a 20 year conference championship drought?

Curious