Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

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UTVolinExile said:
Surprised no one has commented on the location of that home listing being right next to the # 1 fairway at the Cherokee Country Club.

Member when Jon Gruden visited Knoxville before South Carolina?

I member!
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Just how awkward will it be next year for him and his son to attend a game with all the fans knowing he was the top pick to be the coach but instead we went with Todd Googlevich? No way I could imagine him buying a house here, joining a club and injecting himself into all things TN and Knoxville unless...
 
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VersaceButch said:
All I can say is if Currie doesn't have his guy, and this deal with a top-flight coach falls through, the optics of announcing the $340 million Neyland renovations will sour even more fans over time than the idiotic announcement from today.

IMO, pretty awful decision to announce that during peak fan frustration when most fans that don't sit on the forums all day believe what Hyams/Rucker/etc. are saying about us not being able to afford the buyout, not having the money for a top coach, etc.

So....Currie better hope he doesn't mess this hire up. Because I understand how budgets/financing/etc. all works and even I am pretty irked at their decision to throw more money at Neyland before fixing what matters the most....the on field product.
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Orange_Crush said:
I could care less how Butch looks, or how much the AD loves him or hates him. I'm speaking to whether this is a legal out for UT to fire him for cause (i.e. escape a buy-out). I don't think it is. You're a lawyer. You think it is?
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You don't (and probably can't) fire him for cause. You threaten to fire him for cause. He sees the damage to his career and reached an agreement to leave early or at a reduced buy-out. The guy wants another job somewhere. These are not stupid people. Now, sometimes people are too smart for their own good and do some really, really stupid stuff.
 
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UTLEGEND said:
Agreed. But the only thing imo that would justify their poor handling of everything would be having Chuckie in the bag as Tennessee's next coach. The positive attention that it would bring to our brand would be so immense. Even greater than the Saban hire at that time. Any negativity about UT would be a forgotten thought

If Gruden is indeed a done deal I could see Currie being handcuffed knowing this storm will soon pass

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The only thing that's keeps me optimistic is this.
 
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UTLEGEND said:
Agreed. But the only thing imo that would justify their poor handling of everything would be having Chuckie in the bag as Tennessee's next coach. The positive attention that it would bring to our brand would be so immense. Even greater than the Saban hire at that time. Any negativity about UT would be a forgotten thought

If Gruden is indeed a done deal I could see Currie being handcuffed knowing this storm will soon pass

Soon!
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I'd said before, Currie must have the deal wrapped up and is just waiting to announce. Otherwise, this whole situation is one where other AD's would reference on how not to handle a coaching change. I just can't believe any AD could manage the situation this poorly on purpose.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I could care less how Butch looks, or how much the AD loves him or hates him. I'm speaking to whether this is a legal out for UT to fire him for cause (i.e. escape a buy-out). I don't think it is. You're a lawyer. You think it is?
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That would appear to be "bush league" in my opinion. Other coaches will see how we tried to wiggle out when everyone knows he is gone. It can be used, however to negotiate the buyout down and have an amicable parting.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I think the problem is that the plumbing is inside the walls and we have an incomplete knowledge of where the pipes all go.
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No doubt. I think that's how I've ended up on my current thoughts about the Currie hire.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I could care less how Butch looks, or how much the AD loves him or hates him. I'm speaking to whether this is a legal out for UT to fire him for cause (i.e. escape a buy-out). I don't think it is. You're a lawyer. You think it is?
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It's possibly a legal out, but the details that are public are fuzzy enough for me to say it's not a slam dunk. I think that's why they are doing the internal investigation. IF they decide to fire for cause, they have to be SURE. Otherwise, they will end up in litigation with Butch for years to come, dirty laundry gets aired on both sides, and the dark cloud hangs over the program even with the presence of a shiny new coach.

The cleanest and clearest possible separation between UT and Butch is in the best interests of those two parties, but the situation with Kendrick has made that more problematic.
 
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VolsFanJC said:
Well, again, just a friendly debate, not trying to invoke hard feelings or anger, but it goes without saying, the HC must have and is responsible for the control of his staff and team. If his coaches do not always follow his set policies, what does that say about his ability to be in charge of a staff and lead a team. An inability to control the locker room, the inability to ensure assistants follow his policies, these things cast doubt on his ability to be a HC. Everything UT Football is his responsibility. He is the "Caretaker" of UT Football. Again, jmho
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Not angry at all. No hard feelings at all.

I'm speaking to culpability as opposed to responsibility. Is the head ball coach legally culpable for a subordinate not following the rules, or procedures that the coach has set forth?

Like I told CWV, I couldn't care less how Butch looks, or that we call him a poor leader. That seems to be very plain. I'm asking if Butch will be held culpable for his assistant's decision? Will the legality of this he-said, she-said legally enable UT to fire for cause and escape the buy-out?

From my perspective, that really what's at issue in this matter, no?
 
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CPVOL said:
I'd said before, Currie must have the deal wrapped up and is just waiting to announce. Otherwise, this whole situation is one where other AD's would reference on how not to handle a coaching change. I just can't believe any AD could manage the situation this poorly on purpose.
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I’m on board with this
 
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This next hire IS the most important hire ever for this program. If this season continues on its current trajectory into a losing season, it will be the 7th losing season since 2005. Half of our football seasons! Currie, BD, boosters have to come together on this hire, even if it’s not Gruden, lest we slip into the permanent abyss of college football known as irrelevance.
 
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Erik Ainge and Brian Rice are unbelievable. They’re actually trying to downplay the Kendrick situation. They will go down with the ship I guess
 
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Vol737 said:
This next hire IS the most important hire ever for this program. If this season continues on its current trajectory into a losing season, it will be the 7th losing season since 2005. Half of our football seasons! Currie, BD, boosters have to come together on this hire, even if it’s not Gruden, lest we slip into the permanent abyss of college football known as irrelevance.
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Surely the powers that Be think this way as well
 
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UTVolinExile said:
It's possibly a legal out, but the details that are public are fuzzy enough for me to say it's not a slam dunk. I think that's why they are doing the internal investigation. IF they decide to fire for cause, they have to be SURE. Otherwise, they will end up in litigation with Butch for years to come, dirty laundry gets aired on both sides, and the dark cloud hangs over the program even with the presence of a shiny new coach.

The cleanest and clearest possible separation between UT and Butch is in the best interests of those two parties, but the situation with Kendrick has made that more problematic.
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This. Homie.

There is an internal investigation going on until there is a mutual parting of ways. It is bad for both sides to fire Butch for cause.
 
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Sstterry said:
That would appear to be "bush league" in my opinion. Other coaches will see how we tried to wiggle out when everyone knows he is gone. It can be used, however to negotiate the buyout down and have an amicable parting.
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Butch league is the new term
 
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UTVolinExile said:
It's possibly a legal out, but the details that are public are fuzzy enough for me to say it's not a slam dunk. I think that's why they are doing the internal investigation. IF they decide to fire for cause, they have to be SURE. Otherwise, they will end up in litigation with Butch for years to come, dirty laundry gets aired on both sides, and the dark cloud hangs over the program even with the presence of a shiny new coach.

The cleanest and clearest possible separation between UT and Butch is in the best interests of those two parties, but the situation with Kendrick has made that more problematic.
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I agree.
 
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Vol737 said:
This next hire IS the most important hire ever for this program. If this season continues on its current trajectory into a losing season, it will be the 7th losing season since 2005. Half of our football seasons! Currie, BD, boosters have to come together on this hire, even if it’s not Gruden, lest we slip into the permanent abyss of college football known as irrelevance.
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I just pray we don't have an 8 loss season. We are one of only two (I think) programs that has never lost 8 in one year.
 
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