Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

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VersaceButch said:
All I can say is if Currie doesn't have his guy, and this deal with a top-flight coach falls through, the optics of announcing the $340 million Neyland renovations will sour even more fans over time than the idiotic announcement from today.

IMO, pretty awful decision to announce that during peak fan frustration when most fans that don't sit on the forums all day believe what Hyams/Rucker/etc. are saying about us not being able to afford the buyout, not having the money for a top coach, etc.

So....Currie better hope he doesn't mess this hire up. Because I understand how budgets/financing/etc. all works and even I am pretty irked at their decision to throw more money at Neyland before fixing what matters the most....the on field product.
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Lots of truth in this post!
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm pretty sure if I piece together enough of your posts, I will find you said "Gruden is coming, 100%."

Uh huh, I pieced together what you said.

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You suck.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
He doesn't have any dirt. Fulmer has recommended to Currie it would not be wise it fire him midseason.
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I agree with this - and Currie, I think, feels guilt for his part in the Fulmer debacle so is trying to appease Fulmer and assuage his own feelings of guilt. I think he now needs to step back, realize he’s done his best to honor Fulmer’s wishes, and make the move as this new situation dictates.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I know. This is a conversation between colleagues.

This are great questions. I think the problem is that the plumbing is inside the walls and we have an incomplete knowledge of where the pipes all go.
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working without the blueprint, only have the list of contents
 
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1allvol said:
Everything makes sense, and nothing makes sense. Each day I tell myself just relax, stay away from social media, things will work out in the end and nothing I can do or say will change the outcome. Yet, each day I find myself back here, searching for a clue, a glimmer of hope. Praying that the millionaires in UT Admin and the millionaire boosters are not idiots...they have things under control. I hope that’s the case, but I’m not sure it is. I feel sorry for our players, they are no better off than we are as fans, they have no clue what’s going on. I hope they understand that we have their back.
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This. I got worked up about it yesterday and realized I have very little of the actual information. I'm just making HUGE assumptions. Hard to be patient, trust the people in power and let it play out.
 
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I think the majority of TN fans are casual fans. They have no idea what’s going on and their depth of knowledge is based on the coaches show and Vol Calls. They don’t see any of the power struggle, disenchantment between AD/AA or the coaching screw ups. Their the ones who post or say “we need to support our coach no matter what!” They spend their hard earned money to come to a game a year, buy gear and concessions and go in their merry way. I think Haslem and others know that and understand those fans aren’t going anywhere.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, this is not necessarily a sideline issue. The player in question got flagged for a moronic play. Coaches notice those things. Also, I guarantee he is watching the play of his OL. It is the unit that has more to do with the success of the offense than any other. If he didn't notice he should have.




Your scenario only works if Wells owns his actions. He is going to deny knowledge. That will put this on Butch's training because the OL coach should definitely know.

Regardless of how you slice it this isn't a good look for Butch. Either he's not paying any attention to his offensive line's play or he has been willfully negligent in his handling of that injury.
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You're saying that you will take this negligence case and guarantee a victory against Jones?

And I've never once said anything about how this looks for Butch. I've said specifically it's not a slam dunk negligent endangerment case. You seem to disagree, or you seem to have misinterpreted my point.
 
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Vol4ever said:
But it has nothing to do with football and all about his wife wants to be closer to family.
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This goes back to what other people have said though. If he's not going to coach here, he knows it wouldn't be fair to the next coach.

Just an odd time for them to decide to "come home."
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Doyle's Grudometer is at 15% this morning.

After all the allegations of concussions, head of VFL resigning, and shouting matches between Currie and Jones, you would think if the AD truly had an ace in his pocket like Gruden now would definitely be the time to play it. With the public perception that the hill is burning to the ground you would think that he would at least go ahead and pull the trigger on Jones in an attempt to douse the flames even if he wasn't ready to announce to the general public who the next hire would be. I find it troubling to even consider that the powers that be might be willing to sit back and allow the Tennessee brand to be dragged through the mud in order to possibly save some money. Things seem to be getting uglier and uglier by the day with seemingly nothing being done to correct it.


No offense to his followers but I still don't get the fascination with the Beaver man. Maybe I'm just missing something but the only thing I have seen him predict that makes me pause from outright calling him a troll is the movement on some obscure offshore betting line. All of his predictions on the media coverage could have easily been made by any of us. If you take a moment to suspend your belief that Gruden is the hire and look at from possibility that he is a pipe dream, it's not hard to see. Of course the media won't initially talk about Gruden because it's far fetched. Then as more and more fans begin to clamor for Gruden the media will be forced to report on it pointing out the near impossibility of the idea. When that does no good the next logical step is to report on the questions that Gruden could even be a successful coach in order to talk people off of the ledge of disappointment once a hire is made and that hire is not Jon Gruden.

As far as the other insiders go (Boro, DTO, OV) they have consistently said over and over that they are only 100% predicting that Jones will not be coaching at Tennessee next season. Never once have I seen them say that without a doubt Gruden will be the hire. Too many people seem to want to jump to that conclusion because it is what they want to believe. Too many are reading in between the lines instead of taking what is said at face value. Yet, if something happens and the hire is not Gruden these same people will be coming back here to crucify these gentlemen for misleading them.

Sorry for the tldr post but I just wanted to attempt to explain where I am at and why I'm there. I like to look at things from both sides of the equation and draw my conclusions from doing so. I am not attempting to argue that my opinion is right or attack anyone who may disagree. I may very well be wrong and sincerely hope that I am.
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I’ve only been reading and not posting, but wanted to say good post.
 
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Surprised no one has commented on the location of that home listing being right next to the # 1 fairway at the Cherokee Country Club.

Member when Jon Gruden visited Knoxville before South Carolina?

I member!
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If Butch had any credits in the bank he might survive by firing Wells, but he has none. At this point in time, he won't be believed because of past history.
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I could care less how Butch looks, or how much the AD loves him or hates him. I'm speaking to whether this is a legal out for UT to fire him for cause (i.e. escape a buy-out). I don't think it is. You're a lawyer. You think it is?
 
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CoachClick said:
IMO...the way they've handled the PR side of this is pretty damn dumb.
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Agreed. But the only thing imo that would justify their poor handling of everything would be having Chuckie in the bag as Tennessee's next coach. The positive attention that it would bring to our brand would be so immense. Even greater than the Saban hire at that time. Any negativity about UT would be a forgotten thought

If Gruden is indeed a done deal I could see Currie being handcuffed knowing this storm will soon pass

Soon!
 
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RockyTopSC said:
Yes. I’m sorry I can’t keep up with who knows what or who says what because this board moves so fast. It is like an open stream of the minds of 1000 people. Grand Vol either reads every single post or he is in some kind of WWII intel bunker with 100 people feeding him information
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Totally understand. Lot of crap being thrown to see what sticks.

I'm probably putting too much thought into it, but the whole AD situation/ Currie hire has me baffled concerning what's going on now. Even how Peyton is involved. Remember, he said he supported the Currie hire. Could have been "coach speak"....but I'm just not sure.

Not important, just thinking.
 
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VersaceButch said:
All I can say is if Currie doesn't have his guy, and this deal with a top-flight coach falls through, the optics of announcing the $340 million Neyland renovations will sour even more fans over time than the idiotic announcement from today.

IMO, pretty awful decision to announce that during peak fan frustration when most fans that don't sit on the forums all day believe what Hyams/Rucker/etc. are saying about us not being able to afford the buyout, not having the money for a top coach, etc.

So....Currie better hope he doesn't mess this hire up. Because I understand how budgets/financing/etc. all works and even I am pretty irked at their decision to throw more money at Neyland before fixing what matters the most....the on field product.
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Pressure is being applied...
 
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VersaceButch said:
All I can say is if Currie doesn't have his guy, and this deal with a top-flight coach falls through, the optics of announcing the $340 million Neyland renovations will sour even more fans over time than the idiotic announcement from today.

IMO, pretty awful decision to announce that during peak fan frustration when most fans that don't sit on the forums all day believe what Hyams/Rucker/etc. are saying about us not being able to afford the buyout, not having the money for a top coach, etc.

So....Currie better hope he doesn't mess this hire up. Because I understand how budgets/financing/etc. all works and even I am pretty irked at their decision to throw more money at Neyland before fixing what matters the most....the on field product.
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The fact that people actually believe that blows my mind, man.
 
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