Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI

['Boro-vol]

Oh yeah? Well explain it to me then champ.

Cause it seems like some don't see how bad this could turn out if this is true.

Everybody sees it, is concerned about it, and realizes it only reflects on the guy working out his termination notice. His agreement was still in effect until it was agreed not to be.

 

[igotworms]

Shouldn't Butch be stepping down on his own.
He needs to be home packing letting his lawyer speak
for him going forward.

Maybe they can call a competent offense for him too then

 

[volinSmyrna]

I was only addressing the Twitter issue.

Actually, now that I look at it, the Twitter Advanced Search doesn't show RTs. Which is asinine. My apologies for thinking Twitter was smart enough to show anything that would appear on someone's timeline in an advanced search.

I'll edit my post up above since it would appear that has gone dark as well.

August 2016 was when Head Coaches were allowed to retweet recruits. Since then CBJ has been a consistent "retweeter" as are any head coach. The fact is he hasn't done it ONCE in over 3 weeks. You think he just forgot he was allowed to do that? That makes no sense. You should be able to make a case that not recruiting for 3 weeks in the SEC should be grounds for a "with-cause" termination.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

I am actually swamped at work.

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[Ten_Titans]

Don't believe it and gtfo. Is it so difficult to comprehend some folks have sources they can't expose, won't expose.

Uh, no.

Gruden isn't Santa Claus. I stopped believing in things because I wanted them to be true when I was about 10.

The claims and reality are not lining up right now and I'm going to call it like I see it. I'm not trolling and I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. Just attempting to bring some rationale back to the thread because it all died about a week ago.

If that is a problem, feel free to put me on ignore.

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

All official visits were cancelled for HOMECOMING.

That statement just blows my mind. And he still is coaching

 

[VolArmy74]

No one will fault this university for firing him at this point with the concussion issue out there. Currie will not look bad and most coaches would agree that Butch deserves to be gone. I am sick of this!

Even without the concussion issue the heat that Currie is receiving from non-local media and even other coaches is that he's not already fired Butch. This will just intensify that heat.

 

[Coastypop]

I see we're trashing lawyers today...

Just kidding. You know what you call a bus full of lawyers driving off a cliff?

A good start.


In all seriousness, I don't see anything that has happened to change the analysis. No information has come up that indicates anything different than before. The BK stuff is interesting, but I can't imagine this is something the players behind the deal anticipated or planned on.

Could they be capitalizing on a fortunate circumstance? Perhaps. However, in my mind, the substance of the deal has nothing to do with BK or anything. Windfall, maybe. Plan, doubtful.

Everything that has been leaked by the trusted people is consistent with what is happening now. It was said very early in the process that Currie wanted to give Butch as much time as possible, and that he wanted to announce a fire and a hire at the same time. That timeline is still in play, and the recent events would not change those planned events.

If we are still waiting on all the ducks to be lined up, then its just a matter of time.

To an earlier posters comment (Preacher, maybe); yes, it is 100% possible that all the contracts signed are future effective. Meaning that they will go into effect on a future date. Could be the date that JG has agreed to terminate his ESPN contract or any other agreed upon date.

Thus, soon.

A voice of reason, with intelligence .... we never get this on Volnation and glad we now have it... hats off to you sir :hi: :hi: :hi::hi: :hi: :hi::hi:

 

['Boro-vol]

^^^^ This is what I was talking about in the post above. I've heard they have been cancelled through late November. But we don't have any home games after late November so who knows. Dont they try to do official visits during game weekends?

At least through the season, yes. They want to showcase a game day experience.

 

[Squints]

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Who's to say they're not following me?

 

[Poppa T]

IMO, whatever is going to happen in regards to a new coach will happen in time to positively impact our recruiting.

The fire Butch timeline appears to be fluid because of all the unforeseen events that have occurred from the Georgia game going forward. Again, JMO.

 

[Ten_Titans]

I love it when a kid in his basement thinks it is so much fun to TRY to poop on everyone else's parade. If you don't believe the sources that is fine. It is even OK for you to state that you don't. But when you have to post numerous times challenging people, it just makes you look like a child.

Why can't I challenge the information being posted? If you don't want to respond, you don't have to.

If I have a question I find relevant, I'm going to ask it.

The fact that you guys are getting pissed at me for just trying to think about this logically should make you see where your state of mind is about this.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

Uh, no.

Gruden isn't Santa Claus. I stopped believing in things because I wanted them to be true when I was about 10.

The claims and reality are not lining up right now and I'm going to call it like I see it. I'm not trolling and I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. Just attempting to bring some rationale back to the thread because it all died about a week ago.

If that is a problem, feel free to put me on ignore.

Can someone translate bull****?

 

[jmacvols1]

Butch Jones apparently has no issue trading a redshirt for one snap on the field

Would CBJ burn a red shirt considering his future at UT is in great doubt and would have no concern for UT football's future at QB?

 

[Hawkpilot]

While purely speculative, this sounds plausible.

I suspect Currie did not plan on Butch being 0-5 in SEC play; the total breakdown of our on-field performance; the loss of control of with the coaching staff; and the purported mishandling of a player concussion.

All of these have drastically changed the dynamics.

I'm of the opinion that Currie may well have his new coach lined up. How this plays out, remains to be seen. I think we all (for the most part) hope it is who we think it is.

Time is a moving target? But the LZ is locked in?

 

[volinSmyrna]

Even without the concussion issue the heat that Currie is receiving from non-local media and even other coaches is that he's not already fired Butch. This will just intensify that heat.

Which makes me think Currie knows what he's doing even more. Surely there is no scenario where an AD of a major school can be this oblivious. That is what gives me hope at this point.

 

[HearForGrumors]

Next official visits are November 24 and 25. None until then. None since October 14.

It's pretty bizarre to go 40 days without an OV during the heart of the season.

 

[volfan1631]

Uh, no.

Gruden isn't Santa Claus. I stopped believing in things because I wanted them to be true when I was about 10.

The claims and reality are not lining up right now and I'm going to call it like I see it. I'm not trolling and I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. Just attempting to bring some rationale back to the thread because it all died about a week ago.

If that is a problem, feel free to put me on ignore.

Have you ever considered that is the way we like it? Just because you don't doesn't mean we don't. Thankx anyways

 

[Vol-in-Bham]

August 2016 was when Head Coaches were allowed to retweet recruits. Since then CBJ has been a consistent "retweeter" as are any head coach. The fact is he hasn't done it ONCE in over 3 weeks. You think he just forgot he was allowed to do that? That makes no sense. You should be able to make a case that not recruiting for 3 weeks in the SEC should be grounds for a "with-cause" termination.

Did you not read the part on the post where I said I would edit my other post above?

I did an Advanced Search on Twitter and it showed 4 results for all of October 2016. Apparently it only shows tweets you authored, rather than anything that was on your timeline from RTing.

If it DID show RTs, like I thought it did, then going from 4 Tweets last year 1 this year isn't a massive reduction.

But since it doesn't, and you can't see October 2016's tweets anymore (at least not when I scrolled down all through his profile) then yes it appears to be a cold stop in early October from the RTing side of things.

 

['Boro-vol]

Can someone translate bull****?

No...I just took his request at face value.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

Butch Jones apparently has no issue trading a redshirt for one snap on the field

Would CBJ burn a red shirt considering his future at UT is in great doubt and would have no concern for UT football's future at QB?

Should be fired so he doesn't have a chance

 

[Coastypop]

On the concussion issue....if this came to a head yesterday as I was told we are effectively 24 hours out. If it's going to be used as show-cause for eliminating a negotiated buy-out, there will be a good bit to document, and a mountain of legalities to get through. It may be it's being used to get Butch/Sexton back to the table again.

The fact is WE DONT KNOW, and that is the way they want it. Like everything else in this drama it's not on the fans timetable, no matter which side of the argument you fall on.

Another solid post imho :hi:

 

[jasonvol18]

Why is it important that someone is lying or making up info to lead on an entire fan base? Is that a serious question?

What has he lied about that you can say he has been proven wrong?

 

[zydane47]

Everybody sees it, is concerned about it, and realizes it only reflects on the guy working out his termination notice. His agreement was still in effect until it was agreed not to be.

I get it, I do, idk man, something just don't seem right, and I didn't mean to come off like I was attacking you, that wasn't my point.

I just have serious questions about this whole thing

 

[ASamWitch]

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slàinte mhòr!

And just so wrong.......