Recruiting Forum Talk XL

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chavisut said:
Dan Mullen would be a good hire. He's not a home run, sure thing but a good hire.

Saying his ceiling is around 9 and bringing up things like recruiting rankings at Mississippi State is misplaced.

All JMO.
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I'd go so far as to say a very good hire.

I have no doubt Mullen would have us in contention for the east. Obviously if we have a shot with Gruden/Kelly/Patterson you take it, but if not...hard to do significantly better at that point than Mullen.
 
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Billy Antrim said:
What facts? I must have missed your comments in all of the pages in this thread.
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The fact that there are proven college coaches that would ignite the fan base just as much as Gruden. The fact that he hasn't coached in 10 years. The fact that he's never been HC in College. The fact that he hasn't had to deal with the stress and scrutiny that comes with being HC at UT. The rigors of recruiting all year long. The fact of dealing with boosters and the NCAA compliance (he's already made statements about NCAA rules about time with players). Shall I go on?

I agreed that he could kill it here, but the risk is much greater with Gruden.

Don't get it twisted, I'm not opposed to gruden, just think if you offer him that much money and power the the expectations are that much higher as well.
 
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MetalVolunteer said:
The fact that there are proven college coaches that would ignite the fan base just as much as Gruden. The fact that he hasn't coached in 10 years. The fact that he's never been HC in College. The fact that he hasn't had to deal with the stress and scrutiny that comes with being HC at UT. The rigors of recruiting all year long. The fact of dealing with boosters and the NCAA compliance (he's already made statements about NCAA rules about time with players). Shall I go on?

I agreed that he could kill it here, but the risk is much greater with Gruden.

Don't get it twisted, I'm not opposed to gruden, just think if you offer him that much money and power the the expectations are that much higher as well.
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Volator said:
This has been his Achilles heel. MSU achieved greater success when Manny Gonzales (sp) was the DC. His recent choices for DC have been meh to bad.

Wonder if he would consider Shoop or would Shoop want to stay?
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Yeah his D.C. Choice would be critical. When you actually look at his hires it's a pretty good list but since he is at Ms st he couldn't hold on to them when bigger paying places came calling.

Manny Diaz left for Miami., Geoff Collins left for Florida. Sirmon was a bust but I think he chose recruiting in that instance and cupboard was bare. He got rid of him after 1 year so he don't play around. He now has Grantham who has had some success.
 
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BruinVol said:
He exibited some very poor lack of judgment on twitter and now is without a job. Seems pretty simple we got lucky. If he got a raw deal he should get hired any minute now. With his twitter skills maybe The Donald will hire him.
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So if it was a very poor LACK of judgment, did he exhibit good judgment?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Sure he was disappointed but that's not why he was upset, it was how he was treated in the process. Very unprofessional.

And, he's not without a job.
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That’s right. You said he works for a sports agent.
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Since many of you won’t venture to the Gruden thread, I’ll drop this here. Stop talking about Mullen; start talking about Gruden...hopefully. Lol!

VFL92 said:
Some insight on the current tension. To be clear, I don't have a list of "sources" or play golf with boosters. I don't have friends within the AD. But I am good friends with a "very important person" whose name you would all recognize. I'm not bringing any brand new info to the table which is why I'm comfortable posting this, but he helped clarify some things for me this morning.

The Gruden hire is 98% done. It's a matter of timing and a matter of when is the best time to let Butch go. That's the main point of friction right now. On one hand, as others have mentioned on here, there is concern about the focus and effort from the team if Butch is let go today. Could Hoke control the team? Or would it be mass chaos? The last time we were in this situation, you had players skipping workouts and discipline became very challenging. Remember, this is Hoke's first season in Knoxville and there are real concerns about his ability to take (and keep) control. For the sake of the seniors and guys fighting to make a bowl game, you want to give them every opportunity to do so. And many believe Butch gives you that best opportunity.

On the other side, you have guys who are worried, even paranoid, that this Gruden deal is going to fall through until it's officially announced. After all, they've seen crazier things happen within the UT AD, so their thinking is: "If we have to sacrifice potentially losing 1 or 2 more games this year, that's a worthwhile sacrifice to get the right guy for the future." In addition, many on that side argue that letting go of Butch now would actually energize the fanbase and the team, and could lead to more wins. So that's the current debate being had.

Lastly, anyone who says Currie has been bullied into this is wrong. He may not want leaks or the news out, but this is his guy and his opportunity.

Just let it all play out. And support the current players, especially the seniors!

Please do not ask for screenshots or documentation. I don't intend to go down that road, and anyone can fake a screenshot. God bless and Go Vols!
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Kingston Vol said:
Let's do this:

Would you have been okay with hiring Mullen from Florida instead of hiring Kiffin? Would that have been too soon?

No? What about after 4 years at Mississippi State? What if we hired him instead of Butch? He was 26-22 and I would argue it would have been the correct hire.

Is the problem Mullen or that he hit his ceiling at MSU early and didn't get out in time and now he seems stagnant?
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Mullen wasn't leaving while he had Dak. he knew what he had with him. He will be ready to move this time
 
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MetalVolunteer said:
But points none the less. I'm more of a "step back and don't make an emotional decision" kinda of guy. Want what's best for UT. If that's Gruden then so be it.
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I can understand being cautious but we’ve been cautious on the last 2 hire. So IMO, Let’s push our chips in the middle and see what comes.
 
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Oh well here's to hoping we go 8-4, JG starts to show a lot of progress, class gets somewhat salvaged through early signing then Butch departs and Gruden takes over. Best case scenario, as impossible as it is to become reality. Go Vols, beat UK and lets roll.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Thank you for the responses :hi:

I hope the boosters can come together and keep pushing for a united front. I also hope the rumors that Peyton working on that issue are true. I could see him being the glue to hold everyone together.
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If Peyton had a flat-top, ju-ju eyeballs, etc., we could write a song about it!
 
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My guess is Gruden has a preference on the timetable as well. I speculated earlier in the week that Butch was still the coach for a reason. That is because we apparently have our coach and are not in a search.

I would tell Butch to go beat UK and go out on a high note, and we will announce this right after. Don't play around if Gruden is truly done and give him time to back out.
 
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