Recruiting Forum Talk XXXIX

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GoBigOrangeVols said:
I think Calhoun checks a lot of boxes, more than guys like Brohm and Frost who are high risk/unknown commodities. I also think Calhoun is a high ceiling guy given what is has been able to do with significant hurdles at AFA that he wouldn't have at UT.

Boxes checked:

- significant experience and success as a college head coach
- NFL experience as an OC
- X & O's guru
- no NCAA/Academic baggage
- not too old, not too young (51)
- financially it makes sense (only makes about $800k, low buyout and would have plenty of cash for a dynamic staff)
- dynamic offense
- recruits nationally
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What offense would he run here?

What coach has every had Academic/NCAA baggage after coaching at a service academy?

Recruits nationally, yes, but from what pool of players?
 
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Calhoun will probably stay at AF for life, but it would be interesting to see what a really good X&O's guy could do in Knoxville.
 
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I'm running one coaching candidate discussion behind. Sorry about that. I'm still struggling to adjust to the speed of this game.
 

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GoBigOrangeVols said:
I think Calhoun checks a lot of boxes, more than guys like Brohm and Frost who are high risk/unknown commodities. I also think Calhoun is a high ceiling guy given what is has been able to do with significant hurdles at AFA that he wouldn't have at UT.

Boxes checked:

- significant experience and success as a college head coach
- NFL experience as an OC
- X & O's guru
- no NCAA/Academic baggage
- not too old, not too young (51)
- financially it makes sense (only makes about $800k, low buyout and would have plenty of cash for a dynamic staff)
- dynamic offense
- recruits nationally
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Significant success? 46-37 in the MWC doesn't scream significant success to me.

He was an NFL OC for one season.

How is he a guru?

Plenty of coaches don't have NCAA/academic baggage. Butch runs a squeaky clean program and he sucks.

Pretty much every coach we consider will be in their 40s-late 50s.

So you're admitting he's a bargain hire? There would be no dynamic staff. He'd bring his guys from AF.

Dynamic offense how? Rankings by year:

2017: 66th
2016: 40th
2015: 33rd
2014: 58th
2013: 96th
2012: 57th
2011: 32nd
2010: 33rd
2009: 73rd
2008: 76th
2007: 43rd

Averages 55th best offense in the nation over 10.5 seasons.
 
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So Scott Frost is going to be a legend if he beats Navy this weekend because they guy seriously put on the pads and ran scout team option QB to prepare his team in practice. Good lawd beast
 
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Aesius said:
Would be very hard to sell a Troy Calhoun hire.
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And there in lies (sp?) part of the equation that comes with hiring a coach. How much emphasis to you put on hiring a coach that is an easy "sell" to a fan base that in reality doesn't know enough to know if the coach will acctually win? Winning the initial press conference is way too important in the fans eyes. Gruden would definitely win the initial press conference. But he might not even be able to win at the level we want. Callhoun would definitely not win the press conference because at the end of the day fans don't know what kind of coach he is and what he would be able to do with UT's resources. Which is more important?
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
So Scott Frost is going to be a legend if he beats Navy this weekend because they guy seriously put on the pads and ran scout team option QB to prepare his team in practice. Good lawd beast
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He started and won a National Championship, once, maybe the way u described but in the 2nd one, he was the Man

It does matter, somewhat, u instantly have most players respect, plus u can empathize
 
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Aesius said:
Significant success? 46-37 in the MWC doesn't scream significant success to me.

He was an NFL OC for one season.

How is he a guru?

Plenty of coaches don't have NCAA/academic baggage. Butch runs a squeaky clean program and he sucks.

Pretty much every coach we consider will be in their 40s-late 50s.

So you're admitting he's a bargain hire? There would be no dynamic staff. He'd bring his guys from AF.

Dynamic offense how? Rankings by year:

2017: 66th
2016: 40th
2015: 33rd
2014: 58th
2013: 96th
2012: 57th
2011: 32nd
2010: 33rd
2009: 73rd
2008: 76th
2007: 43rd

Averages 55th best offense in the nation over 10.5 seasons.
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Hold up man. The flex option is the most dynamic, tough to defend offense in football history.
 
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millst987 said:
I guess if you are looking for bowl games Calhoun is your man. I want a guy that can us to the playoffs.
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Case in point based off my last post. You have no idea if thatis the case. And I mean like literally zero. You are trying to do quantum physics with an abacus.
 
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therickbol said:
Case in point based off my last post. You have no idea if thatis the case. And I mean like literally zero. You are trying to do quantum physics with an abacus.
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Every coaching search that doesn't involve hiring Nick Saban or Urban Meyer involves some guesswork and "hoping."

Troy Calhoun could absolutely kill it here, but there's nothing on his resume to suggest he could go to toe-to-toe with teams full of 4* and 5* recruits and coaching staffs that have had their own success at lower levels on a weekly basis.
 
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tomq_123 said:
Am I the only one who really hopes it's not Gruden? I know, shut my damn mouth. However, we've been down this road before and been disappointed and while he has won a Superbowl his overall record 100-85 (.541) isn't great. He hasn't coached in almost 10 years, and no one is sure if he is willing to travel as much as is necessary to recruit against the likes of Bama. UGA, Florida, Auburn, etc. Personally, I'd rather have some one like Kelly who is more proven at the college level. Jmo
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.541 in the NFL isn't like .541 in college. He had some really good teams at both places. He has kept up with the game and evolved his "system". I don't think Saban grinds on the recruiting trail bc he doesn't have to. His name and the program recruits itself and he is more of a closer now. Gruden at UT would be similar in that regard.

The questions I have are more centered around him simplifying things enough with the limited time coaches get with players. First two or three recruiting classes would be monsters as would the following classes if the team looked good.
 
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So we are now in Bobo, Calhoun, etc. territory. That puts the RF in FF territory. C'mon, guys. We've got better standards than that even if we doubt the UT administration does.
 
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therickbol said:
And there in lies (sp?) part of the equation that comes with hiring a coach. How much emphasis to you put on hiring a coach that is an easy "sell" to a fan base that in reality doesn't know enough to know if the coach will acctually win? Winning the initial press conference is way too important in the fans eyes. Gruden would definitely win the initial press conference. But he might not even be able to win at the level we want. Callhoun would definitely not win the press conference because at the end of the day fans don't know what kind of coach he is and what he would be able to do with UT's resources. Which is more important?
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I think you have a decent point. Yes, the ultimate goal should always be on field wins.

Although with how important the next several years are with huge/expensive projects needed ASAP, UT is walking a thin line. Right or wrong, a sizable chunk of money will vanish if fans continue to believe UT is only going to 'bargain hunt'. Some of it will come back if the wins eventually show up, but I'm not sure how long they have to wait.

I'm just lost in the middle of all of it. Its a balance between both sides and I have no clue how UT sorts it out. They just have to get it right.
 
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