40% Millennials Okay Limiting Free Speech

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joevol33 said:
I use stories like that as well. I also try to teach my kids practical stuff all the time. It’s really shocking to me how many kids I know who can’t pump gas, start a lawnmower, change a light bulb, etc. Mine are all girls, but try and teach them this stuff.
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You are correct. One friend of my son is about as helpless as any teenager I have seen......he cannot execute any task you mentioned. He spends ALL his time on the internet chatting or playing games. He is good with electronics.
 
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MR_VOL said:
You are correct. One friend of my son is about as helpless as any teenager I have seen......he cannot execute any task you mentioned. He spends ALL his time on the internet chatting or playing games. He is good with electronics.
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My 9 year old daughter can start, and use a lawnmower. My 15 year old nephew can’t, but he does know every name of characters on his games! I have nothing against the games, tv, electronics, but I don’t allow mine to just do that. Fortunately, they love to play outside, and do actual stuff.
 
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joevol33 said:
My 9 year old daughter can start, and use a lawnmower. My 15 year old nephew can’t, but he does know every name of characters on his games! I have nothing against the games, tv, electronics, but I don’t allow mine to just do that. Fortunately, they love to play outside, and do actual stuff.
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do his parents get outside and do more things than chores?
 
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What does knowing how to change a tire gain me? I can do it. But it's never done much for me. Meanwhile those days I spent playing on the computer built a foundation of being comfortable with computers, so that as an engineer I can do my job effectively and make money. My time on computers was not wasted, and was significantly more valuable than time I spent mowing the lawn or changing a tire. You'd be better off telling you kids to go hang out with friends to build social skills. That's way more valuable than changing his oil.
 
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joevol33 said:
He has no Dad in the picture.
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Raising a kid(s) alone, is certainly not ideal. but does she have them outside playing, or does she let them lose themselves in the TV and video games so she can get some peace and quiet?

not judging here, because I can't imagine raising a kid by myself, just saying there is more to it.
 
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Weezy said:
What does knowing how to change a tire gain me? I can do it. But it's never done much for me. Meanwhile those days I spent playing on the computer built a foundation of being comfortable with computers, so that as an engineer I can do my job effectively and make money. My time on computers was not wasted, and was significantly more valuable than time I spent mowing the lawn or changing a tire. You'd be better off telling you kids to go hang out with friends to build social skills. That's way more valuable than changing his oil.
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What happens if the power goes out?
 
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luthervol said:
I have 3 between the ages of 14 and 22. The biggest change I've seen in the 8 years since my oldest was 14 is in the use of social media and its effect. (90% of the advancements in digital technology have had a negative impact on youth) Technological advancement has far outpaced societies ability to adequately adapt and insure that the advancements are used in a positive way.
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Absolutely agree with you here. Mt brother is a Sociology professor and he says many kids coming from HS these days do not even know how to write in cursive or use grammar correctly. Its sad when you think about it.

Imagine if you told a HS kid today to write a paper without using a computer. Would they be able to? I highly doubt it. While technology helps us in many ways, it harms us in just as many.
 
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hog88 said:
What happens if the power goes out?
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Exactly. It is amazing how many can't count in their head or on paper and especially can't count money (change) back to the customer without having an electronic answer.
 
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hog88 said:
What happens if the power goes out?
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He's in the dark - literally and figuratively. It's a shame to glorify kids who play on the computer with the term "engineer" when they have no real aptitude for the broader world. When you look back at many failures, too many times you find people who were unable to reconcile what instruments and computer displays told them with the mechanical events that were happening.

You see people capable of building an electric car without the common sense to ask some of the other basic questions. What happens when the power grid goes down - first clue: walk in most stores and try to buy something during a power failure.
 
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luthervol said:
Great point. I guess they must think that youthful idealism makes for a poor voter but a great soldier. That's the logical inconsistencies we are dealing with.
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BS question. They do what they are told to do by someone with experience - just like any kid who hopefully has parental guidance. I guess the logical extension of your nonsense is that any kid growing up should never have chores or duties or be expected to attend school because that forces him/her (without a voice or recourse) to accept the control of someone else. War and voting was the great liberal argument used to tap into a wealth misguided idealism.

Question: if the point were valid, then why did the lowered voting age extend to females who were largely not a part of the "crisis" and why did it extend to anyone who wasn't "forced to go off to war"?
 
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AM64 said:
He's in the dark - literally and figuratively. It's a shame to glorify kids who play on the computer with the term "engineer" when they have no real aptitude for the broader world. When you look back at many failures, too many times you find people who were unable to reconcile what instruments and computer displays told them with the mechanical events that were happening.

You see people capable of building an electric car without the common sense to ask some of the other basic questions. What happens when the power grid goes down - first clue: walk in most stores and try to buy something during a power failure.
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our whole society is like this. Not just millennials. What happens to anyone in this same situation. Power goes out that means no more refined oil so your car is still worth diddly. it also ignores Solar Panels and other green tech that lets an individual disconnect.

I could grow my own food, hunt, build and maintain basic shelter and fire, purify water to an extent. the rest? Clothing? Medical care beyond first aid? any communication outside of visual range? navigation, how many can use the stars to get around? How many without power tools could plane wood, or work metal?
society has always depended on each other.
 
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The kid who played on his computer growing up now writes code to develop a smart grid that minimizes power outages. That kid makes $150k a year. I suppose the kid who was busy writing cursive can send a thank you note, by email or paper if he prefers.
 
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No idea why they brought up cursive. one of the most worthless skills. Here is a type of handwriting that no one in the real world uses or could even read if it was used.
 
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Weezy said:
The kid who played on his computer growing up now writes code to develop a smart grid that minimizes power outages. That kid makes $150k a year. I suppose the kid who was busy writing cursive can send a thank you note, by email or paper if he prefers.
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Wonder if the kid who grew up and wrote the code to control the power grid ever considered that it can be hacked and brought down? Sometimes just because you can doesn't mean you should, and the kid writing a note has a better chance of getting his message across when there's no power to send an email.

Yes, there are many things that technology can do better, but it remains to be seen whether those making decisions and controlling the process are smart enough to employ technology effectively. Equifax, for one, says no. Puerto Rico sends a second to that.
 
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LouderVol said:
No idea why they brought up cursive. one of the most worthless skills. Here is a type of handwriting that no one in the real world uses or could even read if it was used.
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It most certainly is not a worthless skill. The most important document in our history was written in cursive.

Killing Cursive is Killing History | HuffPost

"Unfortunately, there are many side effects of this kind of thinking. One of the more public instances of these problems occurred during the George Zimmerman trial, when a 19-year-old witness could not read a document she was handed — because it was written in cursive"

" Contracts, mortgages, wills and all manner of other legal documents require our signature."

Yeah keep on believing cursive is worthless.
 
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Weezy said:
The kid who played on his computer growing up now writes code to develop a smart grid that minimizes power outages. That kid makes $150k a year. I suppose the kid who was busy writing cursive can send a thank you note, by email or paper if he prefers.
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Yep. That’s that vast majority.
 
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Weezy said:
The kid who played on his computer growing up now writes code to develop a smart grid that minimizes power outages. That kid makes $150k a year. I suppose the kid who was busy writing cursive can send a thank you note, by email or paper if he prefers.
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Lol. The guy who created the groundwork for our entire modern world wrote in cursive. But I am sure the kid on the computer is much smarter than Tesla.
 
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Weezy said:
The kid who played on his computer growing up now writes code to develop a smart grid that minimizes power outages. That kid makes $150k a year. I suppose the kid who was busy writing cursive can send a thank you note, by email or paper if he prefers.
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$150k a year? Kid should have learned to sell. More money and a hell of a lot more fun.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
It most certainly is not a worthless skill. The most important document in our history was written in cursive.

Killing Cursive is Killing History | HuffPost

"Unfortunately, there are many side effects of this kind of thinking. One of the more public instances of these problems occurred during the George Zimmerman trial, when a 19-year-old witness could not read a document she was handed — because it was written in cursive"

" Contracts, mortgages, wills and all manner of other legal documents require our signature."

Yeah keep on believing cursive is worthless.
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The extension is why even learn to use paper and pen or pencil because you can do that with a computer or phone or whatever. I guess when someone grows up in a fantasy, virtual world, consequences and failures are never fatal or lasting.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
It most certainly is not a worthless skill. The most important document in our history was written in cursive.

Killing Cursive is Killing History | HuffPost

"Unfortunately, there are many side effects of this kind of thinking. One of the more public instances of these problems occurred during the George Zimmerman trial, when a 19-year-old witness could not read a document she was handed — because it was written in cursive"

" Contracts, mortgages, wills and all manner of other legal documents require our signature."

Yeah keep on believing cursive is worthless.
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lol. It was also written on parchment from animal skin, while they used quill pens. How many people can ride a horse? Shoot and load a musket? Lol killing history my ass.

a signature is not cursive. My signature looks nothing like my cursive, and learning to sign your name is not the same as learning to write the whole alphabet, at least for most of us. Most signatures on most documents are a big first letter and some squiggles. hardly cursive.

and you guys are acting like it is the only way to communicate in the written world. Print works just as well and has almost as many identifiers as cursive as far as proving who wrote something.
 
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