Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If we don't put JG in we have no chance to win a big game this year. None.
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For the love, please stop. QD is not the problem any more than JG is the solution. JG had the same opportunity to win the starting role. In his limited reps, he has shown he isn't ready. He will be good, but he wouldn't have won the game for us yesterday.

The problem was play calling and execution. Good play calling, we win. Good execution, we win. We did just about everything wrong we possibly could have against Florida.
 
#8,403
#8,403
Kristy* said:
For the love, please stop. QD is not the problem any more than JG is the solution. JG had the same opportunity to win the starting role. In his limited reps, he has shown he isn't ready. He will be good, but he wouldn't have won the game for us yesterday.

The problem was play calling and execution. Good play calling, we win. Good execution, we win. We did just about everything wrong we possibly could have against Florida.
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I'm not sure Butch's development abilities would put any QB in a position to win, to be honest. Mighty fortunate to have a guy in Dobbs who was special with his feet. Otherwise, I haven't seen a lot to like out of the position since he's been here.
 
#8,404
#8,404
Kristy* said:
For the love, please stop. QD is not the problem any more than JG is the solution. JG had the same opportunity to win the starting role. In his limited reps, he has shown he isn't ready. He will be good, but he wouldn't have won the game for us yesterday.

The problem was play calling and execution. Good play calling, we win. Good execution, we win. We did just about everything wrong we possibly could have against Florida.
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QD didn't execute.
QD can't execute the read option.
 
#8,405
#8,405
VolsDoc81TX said:
Goodbye VN.

I am still in Oklahoma for my son's Boy Scout canoeing campout. Life is to be enjoyed. Something that I have learned through his Scout adventures.

Couldn't sleep last night so checked in. This place is kinda miserable. Maybe I will be after I watch the game tonight...probably not. I have rooted for the Vols through 6 head coaches tenures. During that time, I cannot even count the number of losses that should have been wins.

It's not going to change my status as a lifelong Volunteer.

Not sure that I can weather the current misery of VN.

VN used to be my safe place to enjoy Vols' football.
Not now.

I will check back in after our wins this season to see if it is safe again.

:hi:

:salute:
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I am about to do the same. Not the same fun place it use to be. I been a Vol fan since I was a kid. Going back to the Curt Watson, Carl Johnson days. So I have seen quite a bit of bad moments and bad coaches. Good times and great coaches. But now it seems to be a pissing constants of I told you so's. Never seen a time where people glory in our loses just so they can rub in the faces of those that believe you support your coaches and players on the field until it is clear there needs to be a change. CJ has done a lot of great things to get our program back to having talented players on the field and many other things as well. I now do believe that he can't get it done in the SEC. I do think think that its low on the fans part to resort to name calling like, his an idiot, Moran, and other things. We forget sometimes he has a family that I am sure hear their dad get called all sorts of things. A wife who hurts for her husband when she hears them. I have but Football in perspective a long time ago. I get fired up and upset as anyone but when its over I let it go. Got to remember this will mean nothing in eternity. What I do on Sundays, this morning is so much more important. I love my Vol bros but man life is frustrating enough without coming in here. I am sure I will come in to lurk to get news of players and coaches at times.

So thanks Volnation for the good memories. Hope the season turns around but I need to focus more on my real life and playing golf. :)
 
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#8,406
Kristy* said:
For the love, please stop. QD is not the problem any more than JG is the solution. JG had the same opportunity to win the starting role. In his limited reps, he has shown he isn't ready. He will be good, but he wouldn't have won the game for us yesterday.

The problem was play calling and execution. Good play calling, we win. Good execution, we win. We did just about everything wrong we possibly could have against Florida.
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The entire offensive is the problem. Sorry guys but the offense will suck as long as we are in the spread. JG or QD are not JD . gotta have a running QB to bail out the bad coaching calls . we should be pro style. We win by 3 tds under center .
I get the feeling butch would rather not score from the goal line in the shot gun than line up under center and punch it in like a man. He's a joke lol
 
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AAVFL said:
I def like him and 35 out there. They are our 2 best lbs. After 53 got abused on that drive after the penalty he didn't go back out there. Whether by design for rest or what but 35 is just a better athlete.
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Interesting enough 35 was in on both scoring drives the first half and was replaced by 53 where the defense played great.
 
#8,408
#8,408
Kristy* said:
For the love, please stop. QD is not the problem any more than JG is the solution. JG had the same opportunity to win the starting role. In his limited reps, he has shown he isn't ready. He will be good, but he wouldn't have won the game for us yesterday.

The problem was play calling and execution. Good play calling, we win. Good execution, we win. We did just about everything wrong we possibly could have against Florida.
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This. QD is not the problem. JG has a bright future but the ISU game proved to me he has a lot of work to do. Anyone thinking JG will be our savior this year is going to be severely disappointed.
 
#8,409
#8,409
The sad part is: I loved some of the formations and play designs that Scott came up with. Very creative with some of the downfield combos, wheel routes, and very impressed with the screen game specifically the fake screen, drag combo. Very nice.

Just not sure why we abandon the run at the goal line and when they had to call timeout to rest towards the end. We had them gassed.
 
#8,412
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HankHill said:
The sad part is: I loved some of the formations and play designs that Scott came up with. Very creative with some of the downfield combos, wheel routes, and very impressed with the screen game specifically the fake screen, drag combo. Very nice.

Just not sure why we abandon the run at the goal line and when they had to call timeout to rest towards the end. We had them gassed.
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I thought the same thing. A couple of very clever plays. Scott came across to me as a coordinator that is very inexperienced, learning on the job type coordinator. His play calling at crucial times was his Achilles heel, imo.
 
#8,413
#8,413
HankHill said:
The sad part is: I loved some of the formations and play designs that Scott came up with. Very creative with some of the downfield combos, wheel routes, and very impressed with the screen game specifically the fake screen, drag combo. Very nice.

Just not sure why we abandon the run at the goal line and when they had to call timeout to rest towards the end. We had them gassed.
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Agree with everything here
 
#8,415
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InVOLuntary said:
This. QD is not the problem. JG has a bright future but the ISU game proved to me he has a lot of work to do. Anyone thinking JG will be our savior this year is going to be severely disappointed.
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QD is not THE problem. He is A problem.
JG won't be a savior I get that. He does have a bright future and why not roll the dice OJT ?
 
#8,417
#8,417
VolsDoc81TX said:
Goodbye VN.

I am still in Oklahoma for my son's Boy Scout canoeing campout. Life is to be enjoyed. Something that I have learned through his Scout adventures.

Couldn't sleep last night so checked in. This place is kinda miserable. Maybe I will be after I watch the game tonight...probably not. I have rooted for the Vols through 6 head coaches tenures. During that time, I cannot even count the number of losses that should have been wins.

It's not going to change my status as a lifelong Volunteer.

Not sure that I can weather the current misery of VN.

VN used to be my safe place to enjoy Vols' football.
Not now.

I will check back in after our wins this season to see if it is safe again.

:hi:

:salute:
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Stay strong Doc. It is miserable and if you don't grab a gas can, you're a "loser" They're children...let them have their campfire.
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#8,418
Orange Studs said:
I am about to do the same. Not the same fun place it use to be. I been a Vol fan since I was a kid. Going back to the Curt Watson, Carl Johnson days. So I have seen quite a bit of bad moments and bad coaches. Good times and great coaches. But now it seems to be a pissing constants of I told you so's. Never seen a time where people glory in our loses just so they can rub in the faces of those that believe you support your coaches and players on the field until it is clear there needs to be a change. CJ has done a lot of great things to get our program back to having talented players on the field and many other things as well. I now do believe that he can't get it done in the SEC. I do think think that its low on the fans part to resort to name calling like, his an idiot, Moran, and other things. We forget sometimes he has a family that I am sure hear their dad get called all sorts of things. A wife who hurts for her husband when she hears them. I have but Football in perspective a long time ago. I get fired up and upset as anyone but when its over I let it go. Got to remember this will mean nothing in eternity. What I do on Sundays, this morning is so much more important. I love my Vol bros but man life is frustrating enough without coming in here. I am sure I will come in to lurk to get news of players and coaches at times.

So thanks Volnation for the good memories. Hope the season turns around but I need to focus more on my real life and playing golf. :)
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Enjoyed the company...oh well.
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#8,420
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rekinhavoc said:
QD is not THE problem. He is A problem.
JG won't be a savior I get that. He does have a bright future and why not roll the dice OJT ?
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Imo, QD offers us the best chance to win. I realize others don't think so. I think throwing JG out there could cause more damage to his psyche than the positives gained.
 
#8,421
#8,421
InVOLuntary said:
This. QD is not the problem. JG has a bright future but the ISU game proved to me he has a lot of work to do. Anyone thinking JG will be our savior this year is going to be severely disappointed.
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He deserves his shot. I have seen too many back foot throws. We should be 1-2 to be honest. I saw enough in him that he deserves more than 12 attempts to judge.
 
#8,422
#8,422
I agree with you guys about scheme and CBJ's unwillingness to change his offense in the red zone. I think CBJ's biggest problem is he coaches not to lose instead of coaching to win. Why is it that our team gets out coached for 3 quarters every game? I think he looks at football games as a duel between gentlemen when in actuality it is a dirty fight for your life.
 
#8,423
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JacketVol said:
He deserves his shot. I have seen too many back foot throws. We should be 1-2 to be honest. I saw enough in him that he deserves more than 12 attempts to judge.
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It's a roll of the dice. I think JGs legs are his only advantage over QD. I fully admit I am basing it on limited snaps but what I saw out of JG in the ISU game was very, very raw. Talented, but raw.
 
#8,424
#8,424
InVOLuntary said:
It's a roll of the dice. I think JGs legs are his only advantage over QD. I fully admit I am basing it on limited snaps but what I saw out of JG in the ISU game was very, very raw. Talented, but raw.
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Yep. Putting JG in would have likely produced a similar result to putting in Peterman at Florida in 2014. I think JG will grow into a great QB, but he isn't mature enough to lead the offense yet.
 
#8,425
#8,425
InVOLuntary said:
It's a roll of the dice. I think JGs legs are his only advantage over QD. I fully admit I am basing it on limited snaps but what I saw out of JG in the ISU game was very, very raw. Talented, but raw.
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With old conservative jones on the sideline, putting the gunslinger on the field may not happen. But three interceptions playing conservative won't win either. He threw a touchdown in all of that and had a drop on a 40 yarder. I saw what you saw. Maybe he is not ready but three full games of what we have seen from QD have him not running away with it. JG should get his shot IMO.
 
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