Butch says our D-line has "always" lined up a yard back. Is immediately proven wrong

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Can someone tell me why we actually care about this? Want to know the straight poop? Ask Shoop or Hoke. If you don't know that CBJ is very indirect with his responses by now... you aren't a very good reporter or savvy fan.
 
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sjt18 said:
Can someone tell me why we actually care about this? Want to know the straight poop? Ask Shoop or Hoke. If you don't know that CBJ is very indirect with his responses by now... you aren't a very good reporter or savvy fan.
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To an extent I don't think the person asking cares. While Jones indirect or savy approach is praised by many here, its why the question gets kicked to him. He either gives you a direct answer (which probably works for most and is the answer you probably get from a coordinator or position coach) or he does what Jones does and you get something even more eye catching to write.
 
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BeecherVol said:
To an extent I don't think the person asking cares. While Jones indirect or savy approach is praised by many here, its why the question gets kicked to him. He either gives you a direct answer (which probably works for most and is the answer you probably get from a coordinator or position coach) or he does what Jones does and you get something even more eye catching to write.
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Yeah... but why do we care or reward "journalists" who report such meaningless things. There are things like this that go to attitude. The champions of life comment or his refusal to call last year a disappointment are examples.

But this only matters if the coaches don't know... and either Hoke or Shoop told them after GT that it was on purpose.
 
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DaddyChad said:
It's working though. We have healthy Dlinemen for the games that matter. The purpose in lining up off the line by a yard was to protect linemens knees. I could give a damn about the yardage given up versus ISU and GT. Keep kids healthy and see what we do versus traditional SEC programs.
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Didn't we already see that movie?
 
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PowerSweep said:
No if about it..when I got back from the game I watched it and you can see him frantically yelling into the booth, "1st and 15 or 2nd and 9?!!!"...

And as far as leadership, yeah..decisions like, "should we expand our product offerings and how will that pact our business" is a complicated question with many variables

This is not one of those types of decisions..again, saban and belichik aren't frantically asking others what the decision should be like butch was. t isnt a complex problem
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With the repeated saban/belichek comparison, you're creating an excluded-middle fallacy. It is lazy thinking and improper logic.

As the chief leader that makes long-term and short-term/immediate decisions--being both responsible and accountable for the success of the organization--I will tell you simply: It is almost never wrong to invite trusted input, especially from those who will need to implement your decisions, and who have subject matter expertise in the area of the decision.

Period.

I will repeat: If you don't get this, you either have a skewed vision of leadership, a grudge/agenda, or both.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
With the repeated saban/belichek comparison, you're creating an excluded-middle fallacy. It is lazy thinking and improper logic.

As the chief leader that makes long-term and short-term/immediate decisions--being both responsible and accountable for the success of the organization--I will tell you simply: It is almost never wrong to invite trusted input, especially from those who will need to implement your decisions, and who have subject matter expertise in the area of the decision.

Period.

I will repeat: If you don't get this, you either have a skewed vision of leadership, a grudge/agenda, or both.
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If you need "trusted input" for very simple decisions you shouldnt be in a position of leadership
 
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Vol8188 said:
Did anyone actually look at the image?

There's literally a defensive lineman lined up one yard off in the pictures used to "prove" him wrong.

Whoever wrote the article is a hack.
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Yes and it was pointed out he is a Northwestern beat writer but here we are 10 pages later because of the trolls.
 
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PowerSweep said:
If you need "trusted input" for very simple decisions you shouldnt be in a position of leadership
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That is an incredibly ignorant statement that ignores the context of Butch's decision, as well as much of my discussion points.

May I ask what you do for a living?
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah... but why do we care or reward "journalists" who report such meaningless things. There are things like this that go to attitude. The champions of life comment or his refusal to call last year a disappointment are examples.

But this only matters if the coaches don't know... and either Hoke or Shoop told them after GT that it was on purpose.
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"We" don't.

Its just an idea for why they still ask him questions. When the bold happens it gets more run than pretty much any other answer he could come up with.

Its not like he's the only coach across america fielding questions that really don't matter. He just gets more entertaining on occasion than most with his answers.
 
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Media = ambulance chasers, fake news makers, anything to make a buck and look good.

Coaches = win games, try to help a young athlete mature and succeed, fake out media.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
You're right, Weezer. The coach is not the team.

But he is a part of the team. And at the end of the day, the team is nothing but people. Roughly 120 or 130 of them, including all the scholarship players, all the walk ons, and all the coaching staff.

And here's the pernicious risk we face when we refuse to support a part of that team: it can grow to include a LOT of the team. It's an attitude, a decision not to show loyalty to our lads (including coaches), and once it takes root, it can grow until we're not supporting the team at all.

Consider this:

we hate Butch, want him replaced.
we hate Shoop, want him gone.
we hate Jumper, want him benched.
we hate Martin, think he's a terrible corner back.
we hate Thigpen, don't trust him to develop LBs.
we hate Guarantano, think he's a spoiled brat.
we hate KMac / Richmond / Mosley / Thomas / Kongbo / etc., think he's a bust.
we hate ...

Once you open that door, that Pandora's box, it's real hard to shut it again.

Until you're not supporting the team at all. You're trying to rip it to pieces.

Loyalty is a virtue. It costs nothing to say, "he's our coach until he isn't; as long as he is, I've got his back." And it means a lot to the Team to know their fans are behind them, through thick and thin.

The fans on this board are going the opposite direction lately.
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Win
 
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So wait, I'm confused. Are we all agreeing that UT played off the line because we were playing non SEC opponents as if they were not worthy of being given a full defensive effort? Has the excuse making for poor defense sunk to a new low?

I'm not sure I buy that line of thinking. The idea that players are all of a sudden going to be much better because we employ a different defensive scheme or strategy at the line is a little far fetched.

The defense is the defense and the coaches deploy that defense in the best way they see that minimized glaring problems and maximizes the beat chance to succeed.

So looking at the situation through that lense means that we played GT the best way we knew how to get the best result and ended up setting really bad records and nearly losing the game.

Id expect more of that same thing playing what amounts to an unpracticed (at game speed) defensive scheme on the road in SEC play against a top rival.
 
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PowerSweep said:
He is the head coach f chrissakes..but 1st and 15 is easily the right choice so an indictment of all really
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Against some teams yes, but one key in defending the offense GT runs is to get their offense behind the chains and 2nd and 9 is behind the chains. 1st and 15 gives them more options than 2nd and 9.
 
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87&91ALUM said:
Media = ambulance chasers, fake news makers, anything to make a buck and look good.

Coaches = win games, try to help a young athlete mature and succeed, fake out media.
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I don't think most coaches attempt to play games with the media. Most of them just smash the media like Saban does and they don't take crap from them.... However those coaches can have that attitude because they win often and in big moments.

Other coaches have to squirm in the hot lights of scrutiny because they've not earned proper respect and credentials on the field of play.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Complete B.S. This is Tennessee. There is one requirement. Compete for championships. East, SEC, or national. Life championships, no. All of the heat falls on Butch because A. He squanders opportunities to play for championships. B. He opens his mouth.
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Easy guy....I was looking at it from his perspective. I agree with you. He is always bringing up the positives he has done here. The positives seem like negatives to most of this fan base especially because of last season.
 
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pismonque said:
I honestly don't know why any sane human being would want to be the head coach at Tennessee with the constant barrage of **** you have to take from a slew of miserable wretches no matter what you do, good or bad. And then they expect to be kowtowed to, like they're the important ones, not the team or the people who actually support the team.
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So you buy his oil??
 
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