Butch says our D-line has "always" lined up a yard back. Is immediately proven wrong

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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
I think he feels all the good he has done in rebuilding this program....goes disrespected and mocked. Nothing he does will ever be good enough here for this fan base. He could run the gauntlet this season to win the East Division and this fan base would hate on him for not doing it their way. He knows the reason why they've played off the line these 2 games. When he explains himself to the media he is ripped apart....so he knew either way it was coming. I bet he feels like Trump....everyone is constantly out to get him.
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Complete B.S. This is Tennessee. There is one requirement. Compete for championships. East, SEC, or national. Life championships, no. All of the heat falls on Butch because A. He squanders opportunities to play for championships. B. He opens his mouth.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Just holding up a mirror for you to look at yourself, man. You're the one who argued that loyalty isn't owed unless we owe gratitude as well. That was your entire argument, spread over three paragraphs.

I'm not the one who put that definition of "loyalty" into your post, Boro. You did.
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loyalty
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noun, plural loyalties.
1.
the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations.
2.
faithful adherence to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, etc.
3.
an example or instance of faithfulness, adherence, or the like:
a man with fierce loyalties.


How is that any different than anything I said? Actually....forget it. It's doesn't matter.
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
So does this mean that Butch is still lying or the fans really don't know what they are talking about?

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This is telling as to why we can't stop the run and our defense sucks. That o line has such an advantage, they know when the play starts the defense has to wait. I really hope this isn't his brilliant philosophy.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
loyalty
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noun, plural loyalties.
1.
the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations.
2.
faithful adherence to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, etc.
3.
an example or instance of faithfulness, adherence, or the like:
a man with fierce loyalties.


How is that any different than anything I said? Actually....forget it. It's doesn't matter.
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It's actually hugely different. But if you don't see it, I doubt I could show you in these forums.

p.s. I like the Army's definition of loyalty. It's specific to those in uniform, but replace constitution, nation and Army with whatever you're being loyal to, and it works anywhere:

Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit and other Soldiers. Bearing true faith and allegiance is a matter of believing in and devoting yourself to something or someone.
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That "believing in" part trips the NegaVols up every time, or would if they shared this definition of loyalty.
 
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goinuponatuesday said:
This is telling as to why we can't stop the run and our defense sucks. That o line has such an advantage, they know when the play starts the defense has to wait. I really hope this isn't his brilliant philosophy.
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Welcome to Volnation. Way to register an account and take off b$&%hing. :crazy:
 
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Burger said:
He thinks fans don't know Jack about football.
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To put it more aptly,

He thinks his system is superior and that few understand it. The problem is, he may be right about the last part...especially some of his own players. IMHO, Dobbs was the best thing that could have happened to CBJ last year. With a QB in development, he probably loses 2 more games and ends the season in serious jeopardy. This season will truly tell us where we are in year 5 with CBJ.
 
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Idk if Butch is the right coach to take us to the next level, he makes some pretty questionable decisions on gameday as everybody knows.

I will say however, he has done a helluva job on the marketing of our name brand and recruiting and rebuilding UT from the bottom of the barrel to being competitive in our division. He has done enough good things after this program being at an all time low and every team with a pulse beating us by 30pts to being competitive in every game but Bama last year after all the injuries and still he gets complete disrespect.

Hell even Fulmer with his Nat Champ, SEC Champ's, SECe Champ's, and going what 152-52 got and still gets chit talked and downed like he was trash. Whats up with this fanbase? All of yall constantly worried about Champ of Life and a freaking trash can because folks on Twitter are saying stuff. Who gives a damn what somebody on Twitter says? It obviously hasn't had a negative affect on recruiting which would be the only concearn. Whose thin skinned again?

Winning solves everything, just win baby, well i guess thats a lie. 2-0 and the most crying ive ever seen on here. He ended the UF streak with an ass whoopin like the entire fanbase begged him for, he still is a POS to yall. All of that is bad, real bad but publicly trashing on kids that play for UT? KIDS that play for UT! Thats embarrassing.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
It stayed the same vs ISU because we can beat ISU playing people 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
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Stop rationalizing for a second, and just read this a few times. ^^^

Does that make any logical sense to you? I'm serious.

We probably could have won if Dormady threw left handed only, but that isn't a reason to do it.

"Didn't want to change anything in a short turnover"

Our lineman have been playing on the LOS since they started playing football. That makes zero sense.

The fact that Butch lied instead of giving a reason, is because there is no reason. It's just silliness.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It's actually hugely different. But if you don't see it, I doubt I could show you in these forums.

p.s. I like the Army's definition of loyalty. It's specific to those in uniform, but replace constitution and nation with whatever you're being loyal to, and it works anywhere:



That "believing in" part trips the NegaVols up every time, or would if they shared this definition of loyalty.
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Yeah...I doubt YOU could.

UT Football is NOT the Army, or the country, or the Constitution. But let's lay it out your way. I'm loyal to a fault to my University, and again to the players for the sacrifices they made. When a General in the Army employs poor strategy, shows poor judgement, fails to engender discipline etc....morale of the troops suffers. If this happens long enough, that General is demoted, or removed from his position, or forced into retirement. There is no mention of loyalty, or how the troops should be loyal to him indefinitely.

Back to real world definitions...."the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations."

That sums it up, whether your miopic view allows you to admit it, and it's exactly what I said.

Thanks for your service.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
If Butch says the sky is red and I know it's blue, I'm not going to run on here and say "Butch says the sky has always been red. Is immediately proven wrong".

That's not concern over the Vols, thats trying to take anything the man says and twist the chit out of it to make thread after thread. I can tell when he is sincere and when he's BSing, why can't y'all?
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Fair enough.....if he goes out and beats the bottom 3rd teams he has out recruited for half a decade this isn't an issue.

He makes enough to take some heat
 
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'Boro-vol said:
With players that type of loyalty is a virtue. As fans, literally the people that pay the bills, it's just silly.

Those players are loyal to Butch because he recruited them, nurtured a personal relationship with them, and brought them from their home to Knoxville....to nurture, coach, and look after the well-being of each one for 3-5 years.

Those of us who attended UT, spend thousands on apparel, tickets,and travel every year deserve to take a critical look at the PROGRAM we support. Unless a coach is an alumni like Fulmer, he's largely a mercenary. He's paid for results, and without results changes are likely made. They are mercenaries to the extent that they frequently LEAVE for higher paying jobs. It's a business, and coaches are no different the CEO's. Good ones get paid well and stay a long time. Lackluster coaches get questioned on message boards and talk radio shows, and eventually are shown the door.

All of that is separate from supporting a group of young, amateur, student athletes that compete for the favor and at the whim of the mercenary coach. They deserve our admiration and support for just being here, putting on the Orange, and sacrificing their bodies for our entertainment. The reason they are the team, the program, is that they'll be here after any particular coach is fired, or moves on. They are the constant.
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Exactly.....
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
I think he feels all the good he has done in rebuilding this program....goes disrespected and mocked. Nothing he does will ever be good enough here for this fan base. He could run the gauntlet this season to win the East Division and this fan base would hate on him for not doing it their way. He knows the reason why they've played off the line these 2 games. When he explains himself to the media he is ripped apart....so he knew either way it was coming. I bet he feels like Trump....everyone is constantly out to get him.
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He could also beat a trash Vandy team and avoid a lot of this drama.


And I for the most part like Butch.....he's just lost a few games he shouldn't have
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
So does this mean that Butch is still lying or the fans really don't know what they are talking about?

Asking for a friend
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"We've always lined up a yard off the ball" could mean at least a couple of things.

It could mean "every snap we've ever taken has been a yard off the ball".

Or it could mean "we've always had that in our playbook, and have used it at times since we got here."

Obviously the legion of the miserable interpreted it one way and have crucified our coach for it since it was a convenient way to do what they woke up to do today anyway. And obviously, the ATM pic shows that Butch probably meant it as option 2.
 
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pismonque said:
I honestly don't know why any sane human being would want to be the head coach at Tennessee with the constant barrage of **** you have to take from a slew of miserable wretches no matter what you do, good or bad. And then they expect to be kowtowed to, like they're the important ones, not the team or the people who actually support the team.
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Are you an ostrich?






Because your head is buried underground if you think UT is the only school this happens at.
 
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#142
pismonque said:
I honestly don't know why any sane human being would want to be the head coach at Tennessee with the constant barrage of **** you have to take from a slew of miserable wretches no matter what you do, good or bad. And then they expect to be kowtowed to, like they're the important ones, not the team or the people who actually support the team.
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I know 3-5 million reasons why
 
#143
#143
'Boro-vol said:
Yeah...I doubt YOU could.

UT Football is NOT the Army, or the country, or the Constitution. But let's lay it out your way. I'm loyal to a fault to my University, and again to the players for the sacrifices they made. When a General in the Army employs poor strategy, shows poor judgement, fails to engender discipline etc....morale of the troops suffers. If this happens long enough, that General is demoted, or removed from his position, or forced into retirement. There is no mention of loyalty, or how the troops should be loyal to him indefinitely.

Back to real world definitions...."the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations."

That sums it up, whether your miopic view allows you to admit it, and it's exactly what I said.

Thanks for your service.
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So in your version of "loyalty", we throw tomatoes at our generals throughout the war if they don't do things the way we'd like them to...don't use the right words in speeches, don't win every battle. [Patton didn't win every battle; Ike didn't; MacArthur and Nimitz and Halsey, none of them did either]

If a military leader breaks the law, or acts immorally or unethically, every American should stand up and demand he be fired.

But if he's in the middle of the fight, doing it "the right way," and has more success than not, we Americans ought to have his back. Ought to understand things don't always go our way. Even ought to understand that the general isn't paid for his public speaking prowess, so he might say something that makes you scratch your head from time to time.

As long as he's doing it the right way and generally winning the war, we ought to back him (or her). Right? That's the citizen-to-military element of loyalty.

And then our loyalty to the troops is like our loyalty to the players. Add that on top of our loyalty to our leaders.

But in your view, that general or admiral is making the big bucks, he's a mercenary because he could always go work for General Dynamics or Pratt & Whitney instead. So we owe him no loyalty. We're free to throw tomatoes at him all day long, for any little mistake he makes. Right?

And, by the way, let's throw tomatoes at the troops, too (you know, Guarantano, Jumper, etc.) because they looked sullen in formation or weren't as fast as we wanted them to be.

That's the state of "loyalty" in big parts of this fan forum today.

That's what it would look like translated to our military.

You still favor your version of "loyalty"?
 
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Shy Tuttle didn't get the memo. His helmet was with in 1 to 2 inches of the LOS his 12 play appearance vs ISU.
 
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Another example of a toxic fanbase.

Pouncing on something they know nothing about. If we want to rip the defensive gameplan for Georgia Tech then that is definitely warranted.

Go watch the game film from Saturday against ISU and see how many times we lined up a yard off the ball. From what I can tell, the announcers commented on it the lone time we did it and Big Al Haynesworth pounced all over it like he was one of the necks in this forum.

The play Big Al tweeted about was with 40 seconds left in the half. They have the ball on their own 30 with zero timeouts left. The ONLY thing we are trying to do there is keep them in front of us and avoid injury. Mission accomplished.

This fanbase is hellbent on crying about anything they can find.
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
So does this mean that Butch is still lying or the fans really don't know what they are talking about?

Asking for a friend
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This photo (of the aTm game from last year) almost makes it look as if our DL are really a hybrid DL/LB. They have just a bit of distance to see where the play is going before fully committing. Hummm....

Maybe you compromise on sacks and gain on stops on or about the LOS?
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Because the vast majority don't.

Sure you played in high school, or middle school, or pee wee or at least watched a bunch on the tv but most still don't know **** about football.
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I think the average Tennessee fan--or at least the average fan who takes the time to find and take part in message boards, or to have season tickets to the games--understands about 80% of every football game. I include myself in this crowd.

The thing is, that other 20%. The coaches and brighter, more experienced players know that 20% that we don't. They see nuance and art in the game that washes right past most of us unnoticed.

But that won't stop us from saying Bob Shoop is playing checkers or tiddlywinks when he describes a hard-fought game as a "chess match" between him and the opposing coach.

We don't even know what we don't know, most of us. Only a few of us are somewhat aware it's out there.
 
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