Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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AM64 said:
Obama got all this rolling. Activists came out of the woodwork with the full support of his administration and really got their act together. They didn't finish their agenda, and now that they see so much anti Trump fervor complete with media complicity, they are simply doubling down. Hopefully they will soon find there are two sides to an argument, and a backbone within the country that won't accept violence from homegrown terrorists.
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IF they continue with violent behavior that is hell bent on destruction and chaos, then they should be identified as a domestic threat and dealt with accordingly.

I prefer for those to have their due process, but if that fails, those on the other side and caught in the middle will begin to push back the only way they know how.
 
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Boston Vol said:
They concluded Trump was the answer because he happened to be running against the most unpopular candidate in history. It also helped that Clinton team ran a terrible campaign. Make no mistake, if Jim Webb had been the nominee, he would have cleaned Trump's clock. Yes 72 is right about how Trump connected with people. He spoke in a non-political vernacular which allowed him to communicate with voters in a very visceral way.
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No.

Southerners bad. Country people bad. Constitution bad. Russian Collusion bad. Bad Polling bad. Macedonian Content Farmers baddest.
 
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If Democrats had anybody in their family serve in the military, wonder if they would be ok with people going to destroy the headstones of their loved ones. I mean, what if they killed somebody overseas.
 
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ETV said:
It's a dodge. Mopar product. Like hi point firearms. meh.

No big loss there.
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You think maybe dumb people standing out on an unblocked road deliberately putting themselves in harm's way should have read "dodge" on the front of the car. You know, if they can't take a hint ....
 
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AM64 said:
You think maybe dumb people standing out on an unblocked road deliberately putting themselves in harm's way should have read "dodge" on the front of the car. You know, if they can't take a hint ....
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Yeah, kinda too soon.
 
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ETV said:
IF they continue with violent behavior that is hell bent on destruction and chaos, then they should be identified as a domestic threat and dealt with accordingly.

I prefer for those to have their due process, but if that fails, those on the other side and caught in the middle will begin to push back the only way they know how.
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The Obama administration set the "terrorist" bar pretty low, when like the cowards and traitors they were, they decided that veterans needed to be closely watched.
 
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volinbham said:
This and a few examples:

Many of the crossovers (from Obama to Trump) were tired of being ignored by the party. Both Obama and Clinton told them "your livelihoods are relics of the past; the government will help you instead". These are proud working people who were being told to in effect give up and move on under the "caring protection" of the government.

The Dem party increasingly became obsessed with fighting for "marginalized" communities rather than working middle class families. Policy emphasis was placed on illegal immigrants, refugees, transgendered, etc. Nothing wrong with supporting these groups but it became the primary focus of the party.

The final straw was the deplorables commentary. Hillary suggested if you didn't buy into D policy as outlined above you were an "irredeemable" person who was "deplorable".

Basically, the Dems drove a key part of their base away in an attempt to mollify and attract a coalition of marginalized communities.

Trump stepped in and said - I'm going to get your jobs back, I'm going to focus on the citizens of this country rather than prioritize the citizens of other countries and I'll help you recreate the American Dream that Dems are saying is gone for you and will be replaced by government programs.

It's just like Carville's "it's the economy stupid". Dems took a key part of their base for granted and ran an uninspiring candidate who had no message other than "it's my turn or it's a woman's turn".

The result is that a highly flawed guy like Trump won in the most unlikely election in recent history.

Or it could have been the Russians...
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Have to love the theory that its the white supremacists that have the best interests of blacks at heart.
 
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ETV said:
Really, it's not. Speaking from my background and experience, significant portions of it are failing inspections or on the brink of failing, due to age, conditions, corrosion, etc.

Rail trestles and highway/interstate overpasses and bridges.
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Go to Jamaica and get back with me regarding third world infrastructure
 
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volinbham said:
But Trump can't help himself. He's at least half the problem. I'm just saying the Press has no moral high ground here - they've jumped into the Jerry Springer show mentality with both feet. Is it for rating$ or ideology? Probably some of both but Trump feeds them daily and they lap it up.

IOW - neither side can stop and until one side does it will not change. Both bore this shizz show.
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Trump was obviously very uncomfortable and unhappy about calling out the KKK and white supremacists by name on Monday. He didn't want to be there, he did not want to say those words. Because he does not believe them. That came out forcefully the next day when he went back to trying to reframe the issue as one of just honoring history. And he tripled down on it today.

He has made his true sentiments clear. There's really not a whole lot more to say about it at this point. We'll see what effect it has on elections moving forward. Good luck to any Republican Senators in southern states. You'll need it.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
They had a secessionist guy from SC and a black guy on pbs last night, I did not catch the group the black guy represented. They were friends and work together to keep idiocy at bay regarding racial protests and such. The anchor asked the black guy how important removing these monuments was, he said not very much. He referred to the removal of the confederate flag from the statehouse and how many minorities thought that would be some magical pill to fix everything. A couple years down the road the murder rate hasn't gone down, the education results haven't improved, racism didn't disappear. So his suggestion was to focus energy on increasing education funding, increase community involvement, and not focus on symbolic acts that have no tangible impact to the betterment of his community. I thought this was a fair point, but I'm sure that means he's a brainwashed Uncle Tom.
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We're somewhere near the 50 year mark on civil rights legislation that promised the end to discrimination and then promptly included discriminatory tactics to achieve goals. That hasn't fixed the problem either. Perhaps the best course is the thing about teaching someone how to fish and then let them sink or swim. I would guess that if an ex-slave could teach Jack Daniel how to make whisky; that shouldn't be so difficult.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I didn't see VB say anything about race in his post.
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He (LG) thinks Trump is a white supremacist.

Of course Trump, or any politician, doesn't have anyone's best interest at heart except their own. The single biggest lie a politician will ever tell you is that they "feel your pain" and care about you and your family.

What Trump had was simply a winning message. He identified a voting bloc key to his election, figured out what they wanted to hear, and communicated that in an effective way. It's what any good politician does, and Trump's political skills in this regard were (and still are) underestimated. He's sorely lacking in political skills in other areas, but in terms of running a campaign he was very effective. The man basically broke every "rule" about conventional politics and still won.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump was obviously very uncomfortable and unhappy about calling out the KKK and white supremacists by name on Monday. He didn't want to be there, he did not want to say those words. Because he does not believe them. That came out forcefully the next day when he went back to trying to reframe the issue as one of just honoring history. And he tripled down on it today.

He has made his true sentiments clear. There's really not a whole lot more to say about it at this point. We'll see what effect it has on elections moving forward. Good luck to any Republican Senators in southern states. You'll need it.
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Almost like Obama not wanting to call terrorist attacks by Muslims, terrorist.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump was obviously very uncomfortable and unhappy about calling out the KKK and white supremacists by name on Monday. He didn't want to be there, he did not want to say those words. Because he does not believe them. That came out forcefully the next day when he went back to trying to reframe the issue as one of just honoring history. And he tripled down on it today.

He has made his true sentiments clear. There's really not a whole lot more to say about it at this point. We'll see what effect it has on elections moving forward. Good luck to any Republican Senators in southern states. You'll need it.
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Did MSNBC tell you this or are you a mind reader?

He was trying to highlight the fracture in American identity politics and activism. The idiot white supremacists and the violent Antifa members. You really are dense.
 
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05_never_again said:
He (LG) thinks Trump is a white supremacist.

Of course Trump, or any politician, doesn't have anyone's best interest at heart except their own. The single biggest lie a politician will ever tell you is that they "feel your pain" and care about you and your family.

What Trump had was simply a winning message. He identified a voting bloc key to his election, figured out what they wanted to hear, and communicated that in an effective way. It's what any good politician does, and Trump's political skills in this regard were (and still are) underestimated. He's sorely lacking in political skills in other areas, but in terms of running a campaign he was very effective. The man basically broke every "rule" about conventional politics and still won.
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I don't "think" it.
 
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Boston Vol said:
They concluded Trump was the answer because he happened to be running against the most unpopular candidate in history. It also helped that Clinton team ran a terrible campaign. Make no mistake, if Jim Webb had been the nominee, he would have cleaned Trump's clock. Yes 72 is right about how Trump connected with people. He spoke in a non-political vernacular which allowed him to communicate with voters in a very visceral way.
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Jim Webb is the only Dem that could have gotten my vote; I honestly can't figure out why he's a Dem, though. It would actually be nice to vote for somebody; the choices for over twenty years have been abominable.
 
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