Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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NashVol11 said:
Lol that's BS. You want to tell me why a piece of cloth shouldn't give me a negative response.
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Grand Vol said:
I've done nothing of the sort.
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You wrote out like 4 paragraphs about it hahahaha. Tf do you think this was?

Grand Vol said:
So many State flags? You mean all of one?

Now, you can say they "care" and get "negative" reactions to a symbol. My point is when does a culture stop reaching into the past and blaming it for their current lot in life? Slavery ended over 150 years ago. Segregation ended 50 years ago. Now, you can pull a D4H and go all crazy with the "errbody racist up in this nation!" notion, but that typically doesn't fly and you know it. Now, I will freely admit racism is still around and likely always will be, though certainly not as wide scale as some would like you to believe. However, I'm also intelligent to realize it happens on both sides of that equation. And you can go further down that D4H path and say "well, that violence is justified for 400 years of slavery!" Which, again, doesn't fly.

However, here's another thought. You could realize there is a segment that's profiting from keeping you divided. That points to a Confederate flag and says "See! The white man is keeping you down with his racism!" and damning an entire race based on the actions of the extreme few. They point to a piece of cloth with three colors and focus your anger while continuing to use you to do their menial labor which keeps their pockets filled with the division it causes. And you know what that's called?

Slavery.

Now, you can make the choice to reject the "negative" feelings a piece of cloth gives you and address the subject head on with words and reasonable dialog. Or you can continue to be a pawn of the hatred that keeps people apart. You can feel sorry for those that wave that flag because you know you are better than them and judge people based on their character and not by the color of their skin. You can stand up to those who promote division and call their bluff. You can call out your own race that calls people like Ben Carson "sellouts" and "Uncle Tom's" and use them as an example of what can be achieved when you don't feel sorry for yourself and use symbols as a irrational reason for hatred.

The choice is yours. Be a slave to your own mind or change the paradigm and reject those of all sides that would keep people apart.
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Grand Vol said:
As soon as you make a point, I'll gladly argue it.

Otherwise, keep avoiding the topic.
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NashVol11 said:
I literally said there is a large number of black people that do not like the Confederate flag. That is a fact; there is nothing in that statement that you can argue with. You are inventing arguments based on other things you assume I believe.

Oh, and based on my "pet theory," which I am still waiting on you to describe. But conveniently, you decided I am unworthy of your time right after you were asked to describe it. Funny how that happens.
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That's the point. You didn't like the point, so you tried to change it to your own, then accuse me of avoiding when I don't drop my point in favor of yours.

STILL waiting on that "pet theory"...one might call that "avoiding," but, hey, I don't judge.
 
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McDad said:
Tattoos.
Word usage.
Style of clothing.
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Stereotype much? I hope you're not serious with that post. So, if my large amounts of ink are showing and I'm in a Harley tee do you automatically assume I'm an idiot without knowing me?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The disappointment from the right that the driver was one if theirs is palpable.
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I'm disappointed that anybody would do something like that. I had assumed that the driver wouldn't run over his own team.
It's similar to the Hodgkinson man who shot Scalise and others, and the Carter guy who shot the Republican Committeeman a few days ago. You generally don't kill your own guys on purpose, no matter how stupid you are.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You call it "hemming and hawing," but didn't have a response to it. Are people only allowed to dislike a flag for a set number of years? One can only be upset about the Confederate flag if they lived through slavery or segregation, and one can only be upset about the Nazi flag if they lived through the Holocaust? That's where your train of thought leads, and is again a pretty strange and controlling way of telling people what they're allowed to like and dislike.

The Lee monument didn't really bother me, honestly. I wish there were more recognition of lynching victims and other black people before the civil rights movement (I know there are a handful), but I'm not demanding that all Confederate monuments be destroyed. You are arguing against air
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BS, you're upset over the Confederate flag because you were taught to be. The real issues happened well before you came along.

You talk about fairness, equality and so on; but it really means that you and anyone thinking like you can say what you want. However you are intolerant of someone who thinks differently. When you get right down to it, waving a Confederate flag is an expression of free speech - remember libs worked to make actions such as flag burning "speech".

So the next question is if you remove statues, what's next? Book burning, complete revisionist history? How do you prevent something from happening again if all reminders are eradicated. Of course, if you delete any counter argument and only show one side, then it becomes no different from Communist reeducation camps.

A little thought. A statue commemorating history is by its very nature "speech" under the modern day rule, so how is forced removal not government suppression of "free speech"? Are you sure you really want to start down that road?

Finally, and probably the most important is the fact that you cannot judge the past by today's standards. The founding fathers and this nation accepted slavery because it was an accepted norm of the day - they certainly didn't invent it; and the slavery that exists up to today is probably more common in Africa than anywhere else.

Perception is often only a matter of who won. If you were saluting the Union Jack today, this argument would be about Washington rather than Lee.
 
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Septic said:
Have any of the usual suspects showed up trying to make the case he was really a liberal?
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Can you imagine how screwed in the head you'd have to be to actually attend something like this?

There's a 100% chance that all hell breaks loose.... people hit in the head with fists, sticks, rocks.... fools wearing bike helmets and a homemade Capt America shields...... wtf?..... who actually does this?
 
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AM64 said:
BS, you're upset over the Confederate flag because you were taught to be. The real issues happened well before you came along.

You talk about fairness, equality and so on; but it really means that you and anyone thinking like you can say what you want. However you are intolerant of someone who thinks differently. When you get right down to it, waving a Confederate flag is an expression of free speech - remember libs worked to make actions such as flag burning "speech".

So the next question is if you remove statues, what's next? Book burning, complete revisionist history? How do you prevent something from happening again if all reminders are eradicated. Of course, if you delete any counter argument and only show one side, then it becomes no different from Communist reeducation camps.

A little thought. A statue commemorating history is by its very nature "speech" under the modern day rule, so how is forced removal not government suppression of "free speech"? Are you sure you really want to start down that road?

Finally, and probably the most important is the fact that you cannot judge the past by today's standards. The founding fathers and this nation accepted slavery because it was an accepted norm of the day - they certainly didn't invent it; and the slavery that exists up to today is probably more common in Africa than anywhere else.

Perception is often only a matter of who won. If you were saluting the Union Jack today, this argument would be about Washington rather than Lee.
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Wow......I actually read the whole post..... at 1:10 a.m....... you should feel a huge sense of accomplishment. That's a heavy argument
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Wow......I actually read the whole post..... at 1:10 a.m....... you should feel a huge sense of accomplishment. That's a heavy argument
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Thanks. I get a little ticked off reading propaganda. When people profess to hate something that hasn't even existed in their lifetime, then it's been taught. To not admit it is dishonest.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't know what SJW is either. Do you get all of this from right wing media.

I do not believe that they are paid to go to rallies or protest and I definitely don't believe their mission is to spread violence, especially SJW....whatever the he11 that is.
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Now I know I can't take you seriously on anything you say.
 
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luthervol said:
I was actually in Atlanta at GA Tech's fan day. I put a hex on them to win every game put their first. I will be at the game in my checkerboard overalls with a GA Tech hat. Sitting in the UT section, keep an eye out for me.

I haven't seen much of the coverage, but I heard the speeches from the governor and the mayor and I've seen the responses from republican senators. All condemned the white supremacist scumbags and none mentioned BLM or antifa.
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Then I suppose the Democrats should have been speaking to BLM and Antifa? Why is the left silent about distancing themselves from those groups?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I've never understood the hatred of Jews.....I've known several Jewish people for years and never had any idea they were Jewish.... I thought they were just white boys like me.
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I never really understood it for a good portion of my life. But most of it as I get older and understand a more is several things. One, their dominance and control of the media and what is projected out on those media platforms, their control and dominance in the legislative and judicial branches and their dominance in finance, with the foundation of that being usury.
 
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Grand Vol said:
How do you know I'm white?
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Can I answer this???

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NashVol11 said:
Ras was speaking for all or most black people and saying they didn't care about this stuff. I was making the point that it depends on what "this stuff" means, because there are other Confederate elements that do elicit a negative reaction among a significant number of people (i.e. the flag), and it's pretty reductionist to say that you can speak for all of them and that they don't care. That was it. That was my point.

Then Grand Vol started telling me about how black people shouldn't care about the Confederate flag, and if they do, it makes them pawns of hatred or something. Alright. Good luck telling people what they should like and dislike
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Allow me to back track or clarify what I said one more time.

If you asked a random group of black people what is the biggest concern in their lives right now, the Confederate flag probably would show up as anyone's top problem. Police brutality, jobs and education would dominate.
 
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