Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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Grand Vol said:
And I asked you for a good reason as to why black folks don't like the Confederate flag. Your rationale was "because it reminds them of slavery." Something which I pointed out hasn't been around in this nation for 150 years. You hemmed and hawed about Jews and Hitler and how things should be remembered.

Yet, you support taking down the monument of Robert E. Lee in Virginia? Should we whitewash (hope that's not a trigger word) all of history of the things we don't like? That statue was there for a long time and never was a symbol of division until someone made it a division symbol.
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You call it "hemming and hawing," but didn't have a response to it. Are people only allowed to dislike a flag for a set number of years? One can only be upset about the Confederate flag if they lived through slavery or segregation, and one can only be upset about the Nazi flag if they lived through the Holocaust? That's where your train of thought leads, and is again a pretty strange and controlling way of telling people what they're allowed to like and dislike.

The Lee monument didn't really bother me, honestly. I wish there were more recognition of lynching victims and other black people before the civil rights movement (I know there are a handful), but I'm not demanding that all Confederate monuments be destroyed. You are arguing against air
 
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NashVol11 said:
You call it "hemming and hawing," but didn't have a response to it. Are people only allowed to dislike a flag for a set number of years? One can only be upset about the Confederate flag if they lived through slavery or segregation, and one can only be upset about the Nazi flag if they lived through the Holocaust? That's where your train of thought leads, and is again a pretty strange and controlling way of telling people what they're allowed to like and dislike.
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No, I want to know why a piece of cloth gives you a negative response. Something you clearly won't answer.
 
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Ras was speaking for all or most black people and saying they didn't care about this stuff. I was making the point that it depends on what "this stuff" means, because there are other Confederate elements that do elicit a negative reaction among a significant number of people (i.e. the flag), and it's pretty reductionist to say that you can speak for all of them and that they don't care. That was it. That was my point.

Then Grand Vol started telling me about how black people shouldn't care about the Confederate flag, and if they do, it makes them pawns of hatred or something. Alright. Good luck telling people what they should like and dislike
 
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NashVol11 said:
Then Grand Vol started telling me about how black people shouldn't care about the Confederate flag, and if they do, it makes them pawns of hatred or something. Alright. Good luck telling people what they should like and dislike
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Oh, did I? You realize talking about me as if I'm not reading is a sure sign you are seeking nothing more than attention and cannot argue any point I made nor have you answered any question directly. Furthermore, your attempts to poke fun at the points I made do nothing more than show your ignorance in the matter and are even more of a clear indicator you have no argument other than "just because." I thought we might have a beneficial discussion, but it looks like you just aren't up to the task.

It really is sad to see you cannot mentally comprehend such an important topic. But continue to wallow in your ignorance if you choose to.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Lol that's BS. You want to tell me why a piece of cloth shouldn't give me a negative response.
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I've done nothing of the sort. You still refuse to give a good reason why it gives you a negative response. Other than an ignorant argument of "racism, slavery and...stuff."
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, did I? You realize talking about me as if I'm not reading is a sure sign you are seeking nothing more than attention and cannot argue any point I made nor have you answered any question directly. Furthermore, your attempts to poke fun at the points I made do nothing more than show your ignorance in the matter and are even more of a clear indicator you have no argument other than "just because." I thought we might have a beneficial discussion, but it looks like you just aren't up to the task.

It really is sad to see you cannot mentally comprehend such an important topic. But continue to wallow in your ignorance if you choose to.
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You know what's a surer sign you can't argue any point I made? Saying, "I can't talk about this anymore." Lol.

I literally said there is a large number of black people that do not like the Confederate flag. That is a fact; there is nothing in that statement that you can argue with. You are inventing arguments based on other things you assume I believe.

Oh, and based on my "pet theory," which I am still waiting on you to describe. But conveniently, you decided I am unworthy of your time right after you were asked to describe it. Funny how that happens.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You know what's a surer sign you can't argue any point I made? Saying, "I can't talk about this anymore." Lol.

I literally said there is a large number of black people that do not like the Confederate flag. That is a fact; there is nothing in that statement that you can argue with. You are inventing arguments based on other things you assume I believe.

Oh, and based on my "pet theory," which I am still waiting on you to describe. But conveniently, you decided I am unworthy of your time right after you were asked to describe it. Funny how that happens.
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As soon as you make a point, I'll gladly argue it.

Otherwise, keep avoiding the topic.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd bet Nash is happy to have such a distinguished and knowledgeable poster like yourself backing him up.
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I do what I can. You reminded me that I haven't seen much of Orangecrush lately, not that I'm complaining.
 
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