To Protect and to Serve II

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InVOLuntary said:
So, you think all these legal meth labs, poppy/heroin factories, narcotic pill manufacturers would just pop up?
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What would be the incentive? You would likely have competing dispensaries driving the price down for the consumers as well as increasing the overall quality.
Remember, legalization means heavy regulation, which means licensing of growers and manufacturers.

I would much prefer decriminalization of all drugs. As we've seen with the legalization of marijuana, the state steps in and puts a heavy tax on these items, that drives the price up and once again a black market emerges. In a nutshell there is the conundrum of government.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
What would be the incentive? You would likely have competing dispensaries driving the price down for the consumers as well as increasing the overall quality.
Remember, legalization means heavy regulation, which means licensing of growers and manufacturers.

I would much prefer decriminalization of all drugs. As we've seen with the legalization of marijuana, the state steps in and puts a heavy tax on these items, that drives the price up and once again a black market emerges. In a nutshell there is the conundrum of government.
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No, I am asking you where the dispensaries would get their inventory?

Also, where would these drug users get the money to purchase their meth, heroine, ect?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
No, I am asking you where the dispensaries would get their inventory?

Also, where would these drug users get the money to purchase their meth, heroine, ect?
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If it's legalized the state would license sellers and manufactures much as we've seen with the legalization of marijuana.

Where would they get the money? Where do they get it now?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
If it's legalized the state would license sellers and manufactures much as we've seen with the legalization of marijuana.

Where would they get the money? Where do they get it now?
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Meth, heroin etc require a different level of expertise than growing pot.

Meth and heroine addicts currently are getting their money now by stealing and prostitution and other crimes. People everyday can smoke pot and keep a job and support their habit as well as themselves. People addicted to meth and heroine and many who abuse prescription drugs for the most part can't. They are forced into commiting crimes to support their habit. I am a victim of this crime. Cost me thousands of dollars. I agree, the government shouldn't be in the position of telling people what they can or can't o with their bodies as long as it doesn't affect other people but the truth is it does.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Meth, heroin etc require a different level of expertise than growing pot.

Meth and heroine addicts currently are getting their money now by stealing and prostitution and other crimes. People everyday can smoke pot and keep a job and support their habit as well as themselves. People addicted to meth and heroine and many who abuse prescription drugs for the most part can't. They are forced into commiting crimes to support their habit. I am a victim of this crime. Cost me thousands of dollars. I agree, the government shouldn't be in the position of telling people what they can or can't o with their bodies as long as it doesn't affect other people but the truth is it does.
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I don't disagree with what you said but many times a criminal (rape, theft) is released to make room for drug user. I would eliminate the drug user non-crime and make the criminal serve full time for the real crime.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Meth, heroin etc require a different level of expertise than growing pot.

Meth and heroine addicts currently are getting their money now by stealing and prostitution and other crimes. People everyday can smoke pot and keep a job and support their habit as well as themselves. People addicted to meth and heroine and many who abuse prescription drugs for the most part can't. They are forced into commiting crimes to support their habit. I am a victim of this crime. Cost me thousands of dollars. I agree, the government shouldn't be in the position of telling people what they can or can't o with their bodies as long as it doesn't affect other people but the truth is it does.
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Then let's legalize drugs and get rid of most of the non-violent drug offenders in our prisons to make room for the truly violent that walk among us.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Then let's legalize drugs and get rid of most of the non-violent drug offenders in our prisons to make room for the truly violent that walk among us.
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Most violent crime has drug abuse as an underlying cause. Most of the people in jail with drug charges are not there soley because on drug charges but because of actions, many violent because of addiction. Many committing crimes to support their habit. The idea that legalizing all these heavily addictive drugs is somehow going to solve our problems is wrong imo. I've been a victim of it several times. I've employed them.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Most violent crime has drug abuse as an underlying cause. Most of the people in jail with drug charges are not there soley because on drug charges but because of actions, many violent because of addiction. Many committing crimes to support their habit. The idea that legalizing all these heavily addictive drugs is somehow going to solve our problems is wrong imo. I've been a victim of it several times. I've employed them.
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https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4914884
 
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tim said:
And hurts the murderous cartels more than a few hundred pounds of weed or kilos of coke. To be fair they work both sides
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No. It's essentially the same damage. If you get the coke, they don't get the money and you prevented drug consumption (if that is the actual goal of the WoD).
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Question. If all drugs are legalized, why would someone buy something from some guy in a double wide trailer that is untested and potentially dangerous, when they can go to a dispensary and get something that is much safer? I don't think ole boy in the trailer will find much of a market. Of course he will sell a few, so what.
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So how does that work out with moonshine?

And to answer your question: cheaper, more accessible, under age, different buzz, rebellion, etc.....
 
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n_huffhines said:
No. It's essentially the same damage. If you get the coke, they don't get the money and you prevented drug consumption (if that is the actual goal of the WoD).
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The original stated goal of the drug war was to prevent cocaine from causing black men to rape white women in the south and opium was outlawed to prevent single women from cohabiting with Chinese men.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You can't go by those statistics. Many of the charges are changed or dropped. One of the guys that robbed me had a previous charge on his record f vandalism. Thought that as odd so I looked into it further. He was actually breaking into an atm machine. Ask any cop. Most of the crimes that are committed having underlying drug addiction issues.
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Perhaps if drugs were legalized, addiction could actually be treated as the medical condition it is. Maybe insurance companies would even cover treatment as part of your policy if there was a market demand for it. Who knows, we first have to take that step.

Crime will happen regardless if drugs are legal or not.
 
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luthervol said:
So how does that work out with moonshine?

And to answer your question: cheaper, more accessible, under age, different buzz, rebellion, etc.....
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Moonshine is so minuscule the figures don't even matter.

If someone takes a dangerous drug that ends up killing them when there are safer alternatives, well, that's simply cleaning up the gene pool.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Perhaps if drugs were legalized, addiction could actually be treated as the medical condition it is. Maybe insurance companies would even cover treatment as part of your policy if there was a market demand for it. Who knows, we first have to take that step.

Crime will happen regardless if drugs are legal or not.
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Who's going to pay for the drug treatment? Again, for the most part heroin, meth users can't pay for their drugs and can't even fend for themselves.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Who's going to pay for the drug treatment? Again, for the most part heroin, meth users can't pay for their drugs and can't even fend for themselves.
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The taxpayer as per usual. Isn't that the usual answer?

If they can't pay for their drugs, how are they still addicted? If they commit a violent crime, they should be locked up, period. They shouldn't be locked up for simple possession.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The taxpayer as per usual. Isn't that the usual answer?

If they can't pay for their drugs, how are they still addicted? If they commit a violent crime, they should be locked up, period. They shouldn't be locked up for simple possession.
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You are a second amendment guy like myself, I believe. So do you believe that with the right to keep and bear arms there is a level of responsibility that comes with that?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Sure.
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I look at drugs the same way. If you can't pay your own way you shouldn't do it. If you can't be responsible for your actions where other do not have to foot the bill, you shouldn't do it, and that includes tax payer dollars. I don't have a problem with legalization of weed because many weed users can work, pay taxes, buy their own weed, pay for there health insurance etc. They can be responsible. My contention is that users meth, heroin, morphine, crack and other hard drugs can't for the most part be responsible drug users. They'll rely on society to take care of them as long as they use.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I look at drugs the same way. If you can't pay your own way you shouldn't do it. If you can't be responsible for your actions where other do not have to foot the bill, you shouldn't do it, and that includes tax payer dollars. I don't have a problem with legalization of weed because many weed users can work, pay taxes, buy their own weed, pay for there health insurance etc. They can be responsible. My contention is that users meth, heroin, morphine, crack and other hard drugs can't for the most part be responsible drug users. They'll rely on society to take care of them as long as they use.
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I have no real disagreement with anything you posted. However, I am of the opinion that forced taxpayer funded anything is the very definition of theft.
 
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