To Protect and to Serve II

#2,928
#2,928
Grand Vol said:
Nope. But keep up the seriousness and you're going to be cut from the pirate roster and won't be allowed to chase fair maidens.
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Little drastic don't you think?

Take him off your Christmas card list or something. But don't deny the man the chance to chase the fair maiden and watch LG walk the plank....
 
#2,930
#2,930
Ras, you made an interesting point about the 5th amendment and not having to identify yourself. I've never thought about that before.
 
#2,931
#2,931
Have a look at the 4th amendment and the word unreasonable. Unreasonable to who? Wouldn't it have been better minus that vague word?
 
#2,937
#2,937
Rasputin_Vol said:
4th Amendment...



And I'll even throw in the 5th Amendment...



Walking up to a car at random and just asking for ID without specifying the crime violated or the reasoning behind the stop shouldn't even be open for discussion in any state.
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The problem here is he's on government property not private property. If he wasn't on the road I would agree.
 
#2,941
#2,941
Grand Vol said:
Play stupid games...

Interesting part starts around 1:20 in the video. Funny how it suddenly turned from "eff the police!" to "get the police!" rather quickly.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=993_1496956861
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Let's start from the very beginning. Why were they protesting in the first place ("Justice for Isiah", whoever that may be)? Lets address the cause before we deal with the effects.
 
#2,942
#2,942
15 guns found in home where officers executing warrant shot man, St. Louis police say

Police said Isaiah Hammett opened fire on officers after they had announced themselves and broke down the front door to his grandfather's home in the 5400 block of South Kingshighway. Police returned fire and killed Hammett. No officers were injured.

O’Toole said First District detectives recently had been conducting an investigation and suspected that Hammett was involved in the sale of illegal guns and drugs. That investigation is ongoing, police said.
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So selling guns (2nd Amendment) and selling reefer (9th Amendment). Is this really what we need police wasting their time on? What about these banksters, politicians, thieves, and murderers?

So what if he was selling some guns and drugs? Seriously...
 
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#2,943
#2,943
Rasputin_Vol said:
What difference does that make? You sound like the person that would defend "free speech zones"?
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There is no constitutional right to drive. If you want to drive you have to submit to rules. If the rule is providing identification hen you provide identification. I agree, the cop was an ass. All he had to do was tell the dude why he stopped him. But if the law says you must provide ID when asked in order to operate a vehicle not public roads , then if you want to drive then follow the laws.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
There is no constitutional right to drive. If you want to drive you have to submit to rules. If the rule is providing identification hen you provide identification. I agree, the cop was an ass. All he had to do was tell the dude why he stopped him. But if the law says you must provide ID when asked in order to operate a vehicle not public roads, then if you want to drive then follow the laws.
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Here is where we get into that grey area of "unreasonable". If you are a cop pulling someone over for a traffic violation, that is one thing. You might get me to give you that point (even though a majority of these so-called traffic violations are bogus). But you are talking something totally different if there is no probable cause, your feel like being snarky, or your local jurisdiction feels like going on a fishing expedition (DUI/seatbelt checkpoints).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Here is where we get into that grey area of "unreasonable". If you are a cop pulling someone over for a traffic violation, that is one thing. You might get me to give you that point (even though a majority of these so-called traffic violations are bogus). But you are talking something totally different if there is no probable cause, your feel like being snarky, or your local jurisdiction feels like going on a fishing expedition (DUI/seatbelt checkpoints).
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I agree that cops sometimes look for a reason to pull someone over for other motives. In this instance it's my opinion that both parties were at fault. If either had budged one inch then the whole situation could have been avoided. If the cop would have said why he stopped them or if the guy would have identified himself. If the cop had no reason to stop him and the the guy had no violations or warrants or contraband, then he has good reason to sue and should win. Imo
 
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#2,948
InVOLuntary said:
There is no constitutional right to drive. If you want to drive you have to submit to rules. If the rule is providing identification hen you provide identification. I agree, the cop was an ass. All he had to do was tell the dude why he stopped him. But if the law says you must provide ID when asked in order to operate a vehicle not public roads , then if you want to drive then follow the laws.
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A traffic stop is initiated by the officer. It is EXCEEDINGLY reasonable for a citizen to expect LEO to articulate why they are being detained prior to divulging information. Moreover, doing so doesn't bring about any greater burden to the LEO that I can see.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yes. I don't know why they think they need to disrupt traffic to protest. If you're intentionally blocking traffic you get what you deserve imo.
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When everyone starts gathering around the vehicle blocking, and shouting at them that's when I take it as threatening. If you're in the way then, oh well.
 
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#2,950
Rasputin_Vol said:
Let's start from the very beginning. Why were they protesting in the first place ("Justice for Isiah", whoever that may be)? Lets address the cause before we deal with the effects.
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Here's the problem, those people in the car probably didn't even know "isiah", so what gives the protesters the right to block them, or make them feel unsafe?
 
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