To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Its not me leading people to that conclusion, its the record of LEO themselves.
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And still not as widespread as you would lead others to believe. Here's a poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183704/confidence-police-lowest-years.aspx

And the figures?

Overall, 25% of Americans say they have a great deal of confidence in the police, 27% quite a lot, 30% "some," 16% "very little" and 2% "none." The combined 18% who have very little or no confidence in police is the highest Gallup has measured to date. The full results for the trend are shown at the end of this article.
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82% of the people still have confidence in police. Comparison? Only 19% of people trust the federal government:

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/23/457063796/poll-only-1-in-5-americans-say-they-trust-the-government

Yeah, you probably need to rethink your stance.
 
#2,979
#2,979
Rasputin_Vol said:
I would say that most people have given up on logical/reasonable solutions to this problem. Those solutions hadn't done much of anything to stop our our of control police departments. Once logical and reasonable solutions are diminished, people turn to emotional/anger-filled actions. The time to reason with the public was a long time ago. But the more we see cop killers skating off into the sunset after each civilian killing, the more times we will see this type of nonsense.
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So we have settled the question... you do not understand negative association.

Good luck with that.
 
#2,981
#2,981
Grand Vol said:
And still not as widespread as you would lead others to believe. Here's a poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183704/confidence-police-lowest-years.aspx

And the figures?



82% of the people still have confidence in police. Comparison? Only 19% of people trust the federal government:

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/23/457063796/poll-only-1-in-5-americans-say-they-trust-the-government

Yeah, you probably need to rethink your stance.
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Hillary was ahead by 20 pts in some polls a few months ago...
 
#2,983
#2,983
hndog609 said:
So we have settled the question... you do not understand negative association.

Good luck with that.
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I don't think most of those people protesting really care about what you think... they probably just want change, by whatever means they have available. If they really thought persuasion was a real option, they would still be acting reasonably and working through the democratic process.
 
#2,984
#2,984
Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't think most of those people protesting really care about what you think... they probably just want change, by whatever means they have available. If they really thought persuasion was a real option, they would still be acting reasonably and working through the democratic process.
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Again, good luck to them/you/or anyone that thinks screwing with people's lives and sense of safety will do anything but turn people against you.
 
#2,986
#2,986
hndog609 said:
Again, good luck to them/you/or anyone that thinks screwing with people's lives and sense of safety will do anything but turn people against you.
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Again, I think these people are past the point of caring what you think about their protests. They are in an emotional frenzy right now.
 
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#2,987
utvols88 said:
"Bob murders Sue. But Bob shouldn't be charged because Tiffany hit his friends car with a bat.

If you took care of Tiffany hitting a car with a bat first, Bob wouldn't have had to murder Sue. Bob did nothing wrong"

That's you. That's how ****ing dumb you sound.
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What the crap? My wife (Tiffany) did not hit Bob's car dang it. Don't drag her into this!😬
 
#2,988
#2,988
Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, I think these people are past the point of caring what you think about their protests. They are in an emotional frenzy right now.
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Understood... that doesn't change my observation.

If that kind of approach becomes more prevalent/more involving I can all but guarantee the protesters will be seen more as criminals themselves and interest in what's being protested will be even more curtailed.
 
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#2,989
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A group of New Jersey police officers are facing termination after a video surfaced which appears to show them kicking a man who was on fire following a police chase that ended in a serious crash. The critically burned man was actually an innocent bystander, not the driver being pursued, and the Jersey City mayor on Thursday vowed to pursue charges against the officers. Posted By Persist
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#2,992
#2,992
Rasputin_Vol said:
No, in your example, the greatest injustice followed the first action. In the case of this St. Louis incident, the greater injustice (like a cop killing a civilian) is followed by a lesser injustice (protesters holding up traffic).

Its very easy to create straw-men arguments and rip them to pieces, but the fact remains that police forces need to address their widespread problem of serving violence to the public for the most minimal of offenses, and then turn around and expect the public to carry on a calm, dignified manner.
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Yeah... you don't get it and the cloud that surrounds you has severely damaged your ability of rational thought on this subject.

Even if you switch the order of the issues it still doesn't justify the other. Period. A victim in an assault, traffic blockage, whatever is still in no way, shape or form associated with the prior incident. Thus, they don't deserve to be victimized by ANYONE.

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#2,993
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Here's something worthy of your scorn, Ras. 18 officers arrested in an 18 month period:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/jso-deputy-arrested-in-beating-of-handcuffed-17-year-old

That's what we call a "systemic problem" in that force and is in dire need of reform. You aren't going to find many pro-LEO individuals on here that will argue that department isn't corrupt as all get out and needs better selection criteria.

Things like this can actually be far better received than overreaching generalizations of law enforcement as a whole.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Things like this can actually be far better received than overreaching generalizations of law enforcement as a whole.
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If the public saw more of this and less of the Betty Shelbys of the world walking away free after they've killed a civilian, then we would have better LE/civilian relations.
 
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#2,995
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Look at how LEO bows down to the people they really serve and protect. We've got civilians being dragged out of cars and guns waved at them for filming cops, flipping them off or simply asking why they are being pulled over. Meanwhile, politicians, banksters and other elitists turn the tip of the spear back on them and they apologize and ask for seconds...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA[/youtube]

Imagine the reaction a civilian would get if they told a cop "there will be consequences" if the cop tried to stop them from filming or asked them to identify themselves?
 
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