To Protect and to Serve II

[joevol33]

The Constitution is the law of the land...

Then why do we need a CC carry permit, and why isn't mine honored in all of the US?

 

[hndog609]

How does it work?

I'm thinking this falls under "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." part.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm thinking this falls under "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." part.

The 4th Amendment is where it is delegated in The Constitution...

 

[hndog609]

The 4th Amendment is where it is delegated in The Constitution...

The point is there is room for individual states to do individual things unless expressly limited by the Constitution. That seems to fit the current conversation.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Looks like the cop that murdered Philando Castille will go free...

Minnesota officer charged in fatal shooting breaks down: 'I thought I was going to die'

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The point is there is room for individual states to do individual things unless expressly limited by the Constitution. That seems to fit the current conversation.

It is expressly limited in The Constitution.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

It is expressly limited in The Constitution.

Lol

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

It is expressly limited in The Constitution.

Limited government is a myth.

 

[Grand Vol]

Limited government is a myth.

No government is so much better...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No government is so much better...

True... but if we are going to have a Constitution, what good is it if we don't actually enforce it?

 

[hndog609]

It is expressly limited in The Constitution.

Show us...I'd be genuinely interested. And yes, I'd like it presented in such a way as to pass legal muster, not just offering a personal take.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

No government is so much better...

If you say so.

 

[Grand Vol]

If you say so.

Pretty much what the picture you posted is implying.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Show us...I'd be genuinely interested. And yes, I'd like it presented in such a way as to pass legal muster, not just offering a personal take.

4th Amendment...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

And I'll even throw in the 5th Amendment...

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Walking up to a car at random and just asking for ID without specifying the crime violated or the reasoning behind the stop shouldn't even be open for discussion in any state.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Pretty much what the picture you posted is implying.

Of course it is.

 

[hndog609]

Walking up to a car at random and just asking for ID without specifying the crime violated or the reasoning behind the stop shouldn't even be open for discussion in any state.

Who is talking about walking up to a car at random? Certainly not me.

 

[Grand Vol]

Of course it is.

Grab the wrong pic by mistake?

Happens to all of us.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Who is talking about walking up to a car at random? Certainly not me.

The conversation is based on this incident at Post #2870...

All the person asked was why he was being pulled over. Why did this cop have to be so difficult?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBFaWzMHAQ[/youtube]

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Grab the wrong pic by mistake?

Happens to all of us.

Nope.

 

[hndog609]

The conversation is based on this incident at Post #2870...

It was post 2895 that started our conversation based on your question posited to AVnHC. He clearly wasn't describing "randomly walking up to cars".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It was post 2895 that started our conversation based on your question posited to AVnHC. He clearly wasn't describing "randomly walking up to cars".

My question to AVnHC was based off of that video.

 

[Grand Vol]

Nope.

You really do need a vacation.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

You really do need a vacation.

Actually, I just came off of vacation. I think it was more your no government comment that took me by surprise.

 

[hndog609]

My question to AVnHC was based off of that video.

In that case there are two different questions involved.

1.AVnHC's statement had nothing specific to do with the video in that there was no delineation between having the officer offer up a reason for the stop and simply making the demand.

2.If we ARE going specifically by what's on the video I've got nothing good to say about demanding documentation absent cause.

 

[Grand Vol]

Actually, I just came off of vacation. I think it was more your no government comment that took me by surprise.

Check the sarcasm meter.