To Protect and to Serve II

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#2,905
hndog609 said:
Show us...I'd be genuinely interested. And yes, I'd like it presented in such a way as to pass legal muster, not just offering a personal take.
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4th Amendment...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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And I'll even throw in the 5th Amendment...

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Walking up to a car at random and just asking for ID without specifying the crime violated or the reasoning behind the stop shouldn't even be open for discussion in any state.
 
#2,915
#2,915
Rasputin_Vol said:
My question to AVnHC was based off of that video.
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In that case there are two different questions involved.

1.AVnHC's statement had nothing specific to do with the video in that there was no delineation between having the officer offer up a reason for the stop and simply making the demand.

2.If we ARE going specifically by what's on the video I've got nothing good to say about demanding documentation absent cause.
 
#2,919
#2,919
Grand Vol said:
Nope. But keep up the seriousness and you're going to be cut from the pirate roster and won't be allowed to chase fair maidens.
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Little drastic don't you think?

Take him off your Christmas card list or something. But don't deny the man the chance to chase the fair maiden and watch LG walk the plank....
 
#2,921
#2,921
Ras, you made an interesting point about the 5th amendment and not having to identify yourself. I've never thought about that before.
 
#2,922
#2,922
Have a look at the 4th amendment and the word unreasonable. Unreasonable to who? Wouldn't it have been better minus that vague word?
 
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