CFN asks: Is mediocrity the new TN?

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volboy81 said:
They said the same thing about Alabama about 10-12 years ago
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Then they were very very very fortunate that Saban was available. Haslam and Co. would have never hired a guy like Saban. Our administration have been the biggest problem
 
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jbr82 said:
Then they were very very very fortunate that Saban was available. Haslam and Co. would have never hired a guy like Saban. Our administration have been the biggest problem
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Yep. They would have turned him down and hired on the cheap.
 
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Cartervol said:
Well i mean it's not wrong. We have hired Derek Dooley and now Butch Jones back to back.. We're a easy target. Especially having crapped the bed after having the east all but gift wrapped last year. We seem like team that can't stand prosperity anymore. It's self inflicted though. I mean Dooley and now Jones. I can't imagine why we're not in the national title discussion every year with those stellar hires.
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Same ppl running the Vols and the Browns....what's that tell ya....ha....smh...sigh.
 
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Seattle Hillbilly said:
Correct, sort of.

In 2005 Georgia did indeed win the SEC championship. However, the last time they won a national title was 1980 when despite losing their bowl game to the University of Arkansas, Georgia was still voted number one in the final Litkenhous poll.

Begs the question, who the heck is Litkenhous and when did he graduate from Georgia?
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Fake news? :blink:

UGA went undefeated in 1980, beating Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl on the way to winning their last national title.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Yep. They would have turned him down and hired on the cheap.
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The administration doesn't deserve a passionate and fanatical fanbase as the Vols.

They care more about taking ppls $ than being on championship level imo
 
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sjt18 said:
No they weren't. He had one bad year and had some grumbling. He followed up with a good year with an ACC title and things took off from there. The one similarity is that Dabo inherited an ACC with the door standing wide open much like the SEC East. FSU wasn't themselves and no one else was particularly good.

Unlike Jones, Swinney has capitalized. Unlike Jones, he won his division in his 2nd year when the opportunity presented itself. He won 10 games in his 4th season and hasn't won fewer since. In that one really bad season, 4 of the 7 losses were by 6 points or less. Unlike Jones, he's never had a losing conference record. His low mark was 4-4 in his 2nd full season.

There's really no comparison between the two at all except for the wish we all have that Jones might turn the corner... but Swinney had already proven MUCH more by this point in his Clemson tenure. He had won his division twice, won the ACC once, AND posted a 10 win season.
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You can like the comparison or not. My point wasn't to have exact parallel to Dabo, who played much easier competition, but to point out that sometimes patience, IF the organization feels things are moving in the right direction, usually pays off. Butch will ultimately prove, probably over the next two years, if he is, or isn't the guy. If it's this year, then we've had a train-wreck of a season. He certainly doesn't have the equity he would have had if didn't have two late season L's last year. So, while he is still out there giving it his all for UT, I'm behind him, hoping he does turn the corner.
 
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This question is better posed to the admin and boosters, rather the coaches and fans.
 
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Kiffen help Dabo by sending Boyd to Clemson.

Getting key players to build a team around is important to the development of a program.

When Cut got Manning to come to The Hill, look at the rest of the "Blue Chip" players that followed(NFL talent at every position).
 
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Dabo is not an exact comparison, too many variables to say one = the other.


but there are perceptions of the two and their respective programs that are similar, relative to the same point in each career.

If Butch is here in 5 years and has anything resembling of the same success, then great, good for him.... and us.
 
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Seattle Hillbilly said:
Correct, sort of.

In 2005 Georgia did indeed win the SEC championship. However, the last time they won a national title was 1980 when despite losing their bowl game to the University of Arkansas, Georgia was still voted number one in the final Litkenhous poll.

Begs the question, who the heck is Litkenhous and when did he graduate from Georgia?
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(1)Litkenhous is the same guy who gave us the national title for a 9-2 season in 1967, which this school likes to count as one of its 6 national championships.

(2) I'm not sure what seasons you're confusing (I'm thinking 1969, when they finished 8-1-2 and #8 in the final rankings) but that's not what happened to them in 1980.
 
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Anyone who works or plays in the SEC, is not satisfied with mediocrity, its just not our way. Now, some schools have bigger challenges when it come to recruiting. However, I know one thing about the South, people take a long time to warm up to you and trust you. Sure, a lot of smiles and handshakes, but in reality, southern people make you earn their trust, especially if it comes to their children AKA 4* and 5* talent, that might one day provide a better life for the whole family. So, CBJ has to work twice as hard and twice as long, because 1. he is from the North 2. He did not come with a resume like Saban, and these parents are NOT just going to let their son play for anyone after years of providing/investing all they have in a up and coming coach. I think Butch is the one, not sure why, but he's got GRIT, and I like that in any person. He doesn't give a flying flip on what the media says about his absolution to VOL Football. Actually, I think Butch loves UT as much if not more than most VOL Fans....that's my opinion. Give me someone with GRIT and Passion, because Butch and his coaches KNOW FOOTBALL, and he'll bring home some trophies........Book it!
 
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sjt18 said:
The worst part about his article is that there are several here... who validate it with their apologies for Jones. Mediocre and the "good ol' days" seem to be good enough. You even see that exact line of argument with references to "historical averages" and the rarity of winning championships.
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I respect what you are saying. I would be considered by most on here to be a "butch apologist" or "sunshine pumper". I know in this little battle we have between vol fans our side is often belittled as "accepting mediocrity". I can tell you for many of us known as "CBJ apologists" nothing could be further from the truth. I believe most fans on here understand that last season was a disappointment on how it ended. No true fan I know is Ok with losing to SC or VU. It simply will not be tolerated. We are all looking for more. Some have given up on CBJ but some of us are willing to give him another year or two to prove he can get us there.

I think we all understand that the program needs to take another step. Many of us appreciate what CBJ has done to bring us out of the deepest hole we've maybe ever been in. I still believe he can get us there but next season and the next if he makes it that far are crucial. We will all know definitively very soon if he can do it. If not, he will be gone. Unfortunately I am not sure who could at this point. I am fearful that the next hire could be a Dooley clone, especially with our administration right now.
 
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well, we all wanna feel '98 all over again...felt good, didn't it...but, is Butch gonna do it...seriously...who knows, but he's the coach, and I wish him and staff the best, so...

GO VOLS!
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
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Ouch!
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This will be his 5th year.

How long have we been above average? If we are considered an above average team now, then Jones has done a heckuva job, because we were not even close to average when he took over. He's taken a team that won just 1 SEC game in each of the previous 2 years before his arrival, finishing next to last in the division each time, to 2nd place in the division in his 3rd and 4th year.

Obvious progression has taken place and there is no reason to believe it won't continue. The roster is loaded up and the next step is Atlanta and the SECCG.
 
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sjt18 said:
No they weren't. He had one bad year and had some grumbling. He followed up with a good year with an ACC title and things took off from there. The one similarity is that Dabo inherited an ACC with the door standing wide open much like the SEC East. FSU wasn't themselves and no one else was particularly good.

Unlike Jones, Swinney has capitalized. Unlike Jones, he won his division in his 2nd year when the opportunity presented itself. He won 10 games in his 4th season and hasn't won fewer since. In that one really bad season, 4 of the 7 losses were by 6 points or less. Unlike Jones, he's never had a losing conference record. His low mark was 4-4 in his 2nd full season.

There's really no comparison between the two at all except for the wish we all have that Jones might turn the corner... but Swinney had already proven MUCH more by this point in his Clemson tenure. He had won his division twice, won the ACC once, AND posted a 10 win season.
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Bet you had fun googling all that stuff to make yourself look like you know what you're talking about. Genius.
 
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sjt18 said:
No they weren't. He had one bad year and had some grumbling. He followed up with a good year with an ACC title and things took off from there. The one similarity is that Dabo inherited an ACC with the door standing wide open much like the SEC East. FSU wasn't themselves and no one else was particularly good.

Unlike Jones, Swinney has capitalized. Unlike Jones, he won his division in his 2nd year when the opportunity presented itself. He won 10 games in his 4th season and hasn't won fewer since. In that one really bad season, 4 of the 7 losses were by 6 points or less. Unlike Jones, he's never had a losing conference record. His low mark was 4-4 in his 2nd full season.

There's really no comparison between the two at all except for the wish we all have that Jones might turn the corner... but Swinney had already proven MUCH more by this point in his Clemson tenure. He had won his division twice, won the ACC once, AND posted a 10 win season.
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Weaker conference
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
This will be his 5th year.

How long have we been above average? If we are considered an above average team now, then Jones has done a heckuva job, because we were not even close to average when he took over. He's taken a team that won just 1 SEC game in each of the previous 2 years before his arrival, finishing next to last in the division each time, to 2nd place in the division in his 3rd and 4th year.

Obvious progression has taken place and there is no reason to believe it won't continue. The roster is loaded up and the next step is Atlanta and the SECCG.
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We just lost all of our top skill players. The last 2 recruiting classes slipped. UGA and UF are improving and will probably both be favorites when we play them. BAMA is still on the schedule. Muschamp has Jones' number. Yeah. I guess we've got 'em right where we want 'em.
 
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