Ranking 15 Teams Capable of Winning 2017/2018 National Championship

#52
#52
Iam4utalways said:
There's a butch of different ways this season could play our for bunch.

8 gimmies, 4 toss ups.

Figure a bunch out Butch.

Win them all!
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(ATL)Georgia Tech
‎Indiana St.
@Florida
UMass
Bye Week
Georgia
South Carolina
@Alabama
@Kentucky
Southern Miss
@Missouri
LSU
‎Vanderbilt

I only have 3 "Gimmies" in bold.

I don't think there's any way possible we lose more than 6.

I think we win 8 or 9 games with 10 wins being a great season. JMO
 
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#54
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BeardedVol said:
Fluke: unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.

The App State game going into overtime, wasn't so much a fluke as it was a predictor for the 2016 season as a whole, that saw us struggling against nearly every team on the schedule. We didn't have a single regular season game save TN Tech, where we didn't come out and look unprepared and undisciplined for 2 or more quarters.

The fluke, as you put it, is that we ended up 8-4 instead of 6-6 in the regular season. Because that end zone fumble recovery against App State, and the Hail Mary catch from Jennings were about as lucky a break as a team can get.
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I'll give you they came out and looked unprepared and undisciplined. But we all know they were a well prepared team and disciplined.

If anything I would say they were over confident and played with wreckless abandonment with no regards for mistakes until they looke at the score and would go figure out they had to tighten up.

I can't remember a game that they came out looking shell shocked due to the competition.

Nobody's over looking or underestimating the Vols and coming into a game against us over confident. We get their A game and when we don't play with the discipline that was practiced all week, that's how we got into the dogfights we did.

Why do y'all think Butch is so emotional during the games?

He is seeing things in games the exact opposite to the way they practiced. Granted, I'm assuming they spent additional time on how to not fumble rather than how to recover the fumble in hopes to stop the butterfinger play we had for most of the year.

How do you convince a 18-23 year old if you don't hold the ball "right" they will strip it?

There were back to back plays where JD got stripped at the end of a play, once was after his knee was down and the was recovered by our guy but dang at some point based of their training you have to get up and give the ball to the ref.

We laid the ball on the ground so often you would think it was Easter and the ball was an egg(That's an eggsageration.).

To hear JD talk about ball security you would think he would have protected better. When all your "hopes and dreams" revolve around the ball have can a person be so loose with it.

App st was lucky to be in the game. Even as generous as we were with all the chances we have them to win, they choked.

As for Ga, was their go ahead TD not a fluke as well?

Back to back fluke plays from scrimmage is what made that game.

Lucky bounces happen all the time with that egg shaped ball.
 
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#56
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BigOrangeTrain said:
No it wasnt a fluke. In both the Vandy and SC games, Butch simply got out coached. There is no other logical explanation.

I mean we were dominating Vandy and then they out score us 21-3 in the second half? Zero excuses for that.

Losing to SC with a new HC and an 18 yr old QB who was playing his first SEC game? Zero excuses.

The only fluke was our Georgia win. It actually should have been a loss.
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If you want to blame Butch for recruiting a player that had such a tuff major and spent so much time on homework rather than on film study then fine I will give you that.

If you want to blame Butch for recruiting a 5* RB from TN that turned out to be a major distraction instead of the all time leading rusher in the history of the Vols then fine I'll give you that one too.

He wasn't out coached, we were out played.

AK ran out of bounds short of the 1st down, rather than make 1 or 2 moves to score. As soon as he did he realized what he had done. You gonna blame Butch for that? The fact that that play mattered is Butch's fault, but come on AK, you're better than that.

I don't mind playing loose and gambling a little early, but when the game is on the line it time to buckle down and execute some winning football.
 
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#57
#57
Boca Vol said:
No, UT having a defensive breakdown wasn't a fluke last year. Go back and watch that play. Middle school players wouldn't have taken those angles.
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You cover your guy 40 yards down field and look back for the ball just to let the guy you were covering sneak away from you to catch the go ahead TD.

What angle are you talking about?

We are talking about their last TD?
 
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#58
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Iam4utalways said:
You cover your guy 40 yards down field and look back for the ball just to let the guy you were covering sneak away from you to catch the go ahead TD.

What angle are you talking about?

We are talking about their last TD?
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Talking about the safety that didn't cover... the over the top help.
 
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#59
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Iam4utalways said:
I'll give you they came out and looked unprepared and undisciplined. But we all know they were a well prepared team and disciplined.

As for Ga, was their go ahead TD not a fluke as well?
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If team 120 was well-prepared, why did they come out and play yard-ball level football for 30± minutes of every regular seadon game except one in 2016? That's not how a well-prepared team shows up.

Georgia led the entire game until 3:35 left in the fourth quarter when Eason fumbled in the end zone. So no, them scoring and retaking the lead during one of our many defensive breakdowns was not a fluke, it had been occurring all game long at that point
 
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#60
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EricberryFAN said:
(ATL)Georgia Tech
‎Indiana St.
@Florida
UMass
Bye Week
Georgia
South Carolina
@Alabama
@Kentucky
Southern Miss
@Missouri
LSU
‎Vanderbilt

I only have 3 "Gimmies" in bold.

I don't think there's any way possible we lose more than 6.

I think we win 8 or 9 games with 10 wins being a great season. JMO
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According to you only 3 gimmies that leaves 9 toss ups.

I put Ky, mo, SC, Vandy and GT as should wins(gimmie).

Fl, Ga, bama, LSU as toss ups.

10 wins is a solid year, unless it gets us to the playoffs, then it could end up great.

Unless you have great, greater and greatest grades to give out.

I won't consider 10 wins and not making the SECCG as a great year.
 
#62
#62
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
(1) We'll go 11-1 in the regular season winning the SEC East.

(2) We'll win the SEC championship game against Alabama avenging an earlier loss.

(3) We'll beat Ohio State for the national championship.
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Give it a rest kid. Give us all a break and quit the faux UT support now that Dobbs is gone. Go pull for the Steelers and leave us alone.
 
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#63
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Iam4utalways said:
According to you only 3 gimmies that leaves 9 toss ups.

I put Ky, mo, SC, Vandy and GT as should wins(gimmie).

Fl, Ga, bama, LSU as toss ups.

10 wins is a solid year, unless it gets us to the playoffs, then it could end up great.

Unless you have great, greater and greatest grades to give out.

I won't consider 10 wins and not making the SECCG as a great year.
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@Bama a toss up?

Interesting
 
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BeardedVol said:
If team 120 was well-prepared, why did they come out and play yard-ball level football for 30± minutes of every regular seadon game except one in 2016? That's not how a well-prepared team shows up.

Georgia led the entire game until 3:35 left in the fourth quarter when Eason fumbled in the end zone. So no, them scoring and retaking the lead during one of our many defensive breakdowns was not a fluke, it had been occurring all game long at that point
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I think they were over confident due to their preparation.

They scored the go ahead TD with 19 seconds on the clock to start the play. They just used a time out to stop a 10 second run off due to a penalty. Back to back TDs from scrimmage to end the game. "What a turn of events!".

When we got the strip fumble TD and then backed it up with the pick all we needed was a couple of 1st downs to ice the game.

I put that put on CBJ, for not being able to ice the game.

When they know what's coming it makes it easier to stuff our offense.

I think some of our break downs on defense were due to players gambling with their assignment and it backfiring.

When a DB jumps a short route going for a pick or a big hit, leaving the TD over the top open, that's a backfire( see SC last TD).
 
#66
#66
Iam4utalways said:
You never answered my QB question.

How's it looking.

Yeah it's May, bama could be in jail come TSO.

Do you count Fl St as a loss?
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I don't know about QB until I see them in games.

As far as FSU being a toss up? Hell, no. I can't even remember the last offensive TD we had against them. It's a home game, but that hasn't exactly helped.
 
#67
#67
99gator said:
I don't know about QB until I see them in games.

As far as FSU being a toss up? Hell, no. I can't even remember the last offensive TD we had against them. It's a home game, but that hasn't exactly helped.
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That's fair. We almost got bama in 2015 at their place. I like our chances this year too.
Being a home game didn't help us last year with bama either.

What will be the strength of your team this year?
 
#68
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I'll give you they came out and looked unprepared and undisciplined. But we all know they were a well prepared team and disciplined.

As for Ga, was their go ahead TD not a fluke as well?

BeardedVol said:
If team 120 was well-prepared, why did they come out and play yard-ball level football for 30± minutes of every regular seadon game except one in 2016? That's not how a well-prepared team shows up.

Georgia led the entire game until 3:35 left in the fourth quarter when Eason fumbled in the end zone. So no, them scoring and retaking the lead during one of our many defensive breakdowns was not a fluke, it had been occurring all game long at that point
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"when Eason fumbled" ? Let's give the D a little more credit / you mean: when Barnett and McDowell ransacked and stripped / and Vereen recovered the ball from him in the endzone, for a TD.

Now, hopefully the D and starting linebackers won't be hit with so many injuries / and Warren will get this year's DB's to cover better and this D could be the strength to a winning season.
 
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UT-Rex said:
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I'll give you they came out and looked unprepared and undisciplined. But we all know they were a well prepared team and disciplined.

As for Ga, was their go ahead TD not a fluke as well?



"when Eason fumbled" ? Let's give the D a little more credit / you mean: when Barnett and McDowell ransacked and stripped / and Vereen recovered the ball from him in the endzone, for a TD.

Now, hopefully the D and starting linebackers won't be hit with so many injuries / and Warren will get this year's DB's to cover better and this D could be the strength to a winning season.
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Having a shut down defense would do wonders for the win/ loss column.

I still want an offense that can light up the scoreboard.

Complimentary football.

I may have been brain washed by CJM back in the late 80s and early 90s.

"Attack, Attack,Attack."

Release the Beast!
 
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#74
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Jesus, how many freaking rebuilding years does Butch get? It absolutely should be a make or break year for Butch. He has to prove that he can win the East at the very least.
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Win the east....

I still say the problem is: you can win the east with one east loss, The East,,, add to that a loss to a west team (say bama) now you have to losses to consider to win the east, hardly ever does anyone face this challenge year in year out (like us),,, you could win every east game and still lose the east (say bama and Lsu or Alburn or TA&M).

What I'm saying is why have east and west divisions if total east and west games figure into who wins the east? (or for that matter the west). Only games played within the division should figure into the division winner....
 
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UT-Rex said:
"when Eason fumbled" ? Let's give the D a little more credit / you mean: when Barnett and McDowell ransacked and stripped / and Vereen recovered the ball from him in the endzone, for a TD.
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Ok, describe it with as much panache as you choose sir.:hi:
 
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