Are there really 51 Power 5 coaches better than Butch?

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catss350 said:
I was going to post a reply but this guy said it so much better than I could of. Great post! :clapping:
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Careful....you probably don't want to be too complimentary of me. I have a bad reputation with the cool kids.

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Why is Tom Hermann getting this much love? Guy had way more talent than anyone BY FAR in their conference and didn't win it. That's in the AAC. At best he's a AAC version of what everyone says Butch is. I digress.

I counted 12 guys ranked above Butch that shouldn't be.

Babers
Addazio
Mora
Orgeron
Rhule
Hermann
Chryst
Mendenhall
Anderson
Brohm
Clawson
Riley

Butch consistently wins games. It's not as many as we want or should want,but you know you will win 8 or 9 games with him as a coach. Several of these guys don't do that or have done it at a lower level. I'm beginning to believe Wisconsin is a P5 version of Boise. Everyone wins there. The guys that have left haven't won as much at their new homes.

He's not top 25. But I'd take him over every coach I've listed and a few more (I just figure some of those to be break evens so I didn't list them).
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He is what he is....an 8-9 win career average coach, who ALWAYS finds a way to lose a game he shouldn't, and may occasionally win a surprise too.

He does it clean, and his players get good grades. He is a cartoon character for the media with his cliches and over the top catchphrases. He is a fantastic program manager, and a suspect game manager. He has proven to be a formidable recruiter, while being a questionable developer of talent. He is classy, and positive while managing to be campy and annoying. He will regularly get you to a bowl game, unfortunately it will be one you really don't want to go to. He is a dream come true for a mid-major or lower tier P5 team, and a point of derision for what should be a top-15 team. He is something for everybody, and quite simply the most divisive coach in our history. He is an enigma wrapped in a riddle.

I'm not sure if he is too low on the list or not, but he shouldn't nearly round out the top half.
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This is about as accurate a synopsis of Butch so far as could be written. Well done.

But is it predictive? Is what we've seen what we're gonna see?

I'm kinda worried the answer is 'yes', and really hoping that it's 'no'.

We'll see.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
This is about as accurate a synopsis of Butch so far as could be written. Well done.

But is it predictive? Is what we've seen what we're gonna see?

I'm kinda worried the answer is 'yes', and really hoping that it's 'no'.

We'll see.
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It's been "yes" throughout his career....no matter where he's been. Football is football, no matter what conference you're in. The athletes change, but the rules, and strategies remain pretty static. I think even the most stalwart Butch supporter is realistic that Butch Jones will never be a perennial championship (of any kind) contender. They like him because he's better than the last guy, and the guy before him....not because he's likely to ever get much better than he is now.

Some people look back to how bad we were, some want to look forward to how good we should be. It's all a matter of perspective, and apparently very divisive.
 
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UTwild82 said:
Why is Tom Hermann getting this much love? Guy had way more talent than anyone BY FAR in their conference and didn't win it. That's in the AAC. At best he's a AAC version of what everyone says Butch is. I digress.

I counted 12 guys ranked above Butch that shouldn't be.

Babers
Addazio
Mora
Orgeron
Rhule
Hermann
Chryst
Mendenhall
Anderson
Brohm
Clawson
Riley

Butch consistently wins games. It's not as many as we want or should want,but you know you will win 8 or 9 games with him as a coach. Several of these guys don't do that or have done it at a lower level. I'm beginning to believe Wisconsin is a P5 version of Boise. Everyone wins there. The guys that have left haven't won as much at their new homes.

He's not top 25. But I'd take him over every coach I've listed and a few more (I just figure something of those to be break evens so I didn't list them).
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Peterson made the playoffs at Washington....

I would rather have almost any coach on that list except for Orgeron and Addazio.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
It's been "yes" throughout his career....no matter where he's been. Football is football, no matter what conference you're in. The athletes change, but the rules, and strategies remain pretty static. I think even the most stalwart Butch supporter is realistic that Butch Jones will never be a perennial championship (of any kind) contender. They like him because he's better than the last guy, and the guy before him....not because he's likely to ever get much better than he is now.

Some people look back to how bad we were, some want to look forward to how good we should be. It's all a matter of perspective, and apparently very divisive.
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This.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Careful....you probably don't want to be too complimentary of me. I have a bad reputation with the cool kids.

:good!:
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I haven't figured out exactly who the cool kids are. Doesn't matter, your post was accurate as anything I've read here in some time.
 
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KBVol said:
Tweet about the article ranking the coaches....

Hearing there is some consternation out there about our ranking of Butch Jones. It was unanimously low. Ballots: 46-49-50-53-54.

-Adam Silverstein
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I'm not one on here saying he's better than Harbaugh, or even top 20...but stupid to be in 50 range. I'd also bet that the 5 guys who did this ranking didn't have last 2-3 years records in front of them either...just a blind ranking on public opinion. To that point, we all know Butch does himself NO favors w/ his press conferences w/ dumb comments. However, if the young men on the team are buying in, which apparently, they are, I don't really care about 5 "experts".
 
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Behr said:
What I saw last night was "Butch wasn't as bad as his ranking and Harbaugh wasn't as good as his." Then it did what it normally does. I honestly didn't get the "feel" of an actual comparison.

Jmo.
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Brother, I gave you a like just for comprehension. Never realized how rare that actually is until I started reading VN.
"stuck on stupid", the irony.
 
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Burger said:
Peterson made the playoffs at Washington....

I would rather have almost any coach on that list except for Orgeron and Addazio.
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Yes, Peterson is the exception. The 3 extra periods at the end of the sentence really help make the point, lol.

You, of course, are entitled to want those other coaches over Jones, but most of that is not results based. It's just a desire for change.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
This is about as accurate a synopsis of Butch so far as could be written. Well done.

But is it predictive? Is what we've seen what we're gonna see?

I'm kinda worried the answer is 'yes', and really hoping that it's 'no'.

We'll see.
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Good follow up.
 
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Burger said:
Peterson made the playoffs at Washington....

I would rather have almost any coach on that list except for Orgeron and Addazio.
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And I would not. They are not better the Jones.

Seriously what makes you think that a coach that could not win in a weaker conference would be able to magically become a big time winner in the SEC? You are either really jaded against Jones or you have no idea what some of those coaches did last year.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
A year ago, I would've said no way....thought he was definitely one of the top 20 or 25 coaches in college ball.

Then Vandy and South Carolina happened. Heaping those on top of a few questionable in-game decisions that came before, and a bit of public relations foot-in-mouth disease, and now...just not sure.

This season should tell the tale, one way or the other.
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One upset does not a coach make. Stupid post. He's brought us to the point we expect championships.
 
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