Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

#901
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Dougie_D said:
1. I honestly see him as a runner than passer.
2. He has had minimum QB coaching around him... that's not a knock on him.. but it's like a professional singer. They still go through practices/lessons with vocal coaches. He's just not as sharp and ready as others
3. TN won based on Dobbs ability to scramble not pass it with consistent basis. NFL has gambled with more mobile QBs and it seems like the NFL lost. They are going back to pro style ready QBs. That's why Wentz is far beyond the Mariota , Bridgewater, Winston, etc
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1. Dobbs was the best SEC qb this year even with the staff waiting until we were down to pass the ball. Dobbs was also one of the top deep passers in the whole country this year. His passing stats are comparable to many highly drafted or ranked qbs.

You are repeating an uninformed narrative.

2. The NFL will coach him and he is smart. He will be fine.

3. TN won because of his arm several games.

You must not watch the NFL or just be ignorant. Wentz is nowhere near as good as Mariota or Winston. He hasn't even shown anything to say he is better than Bridgewater.

Winston is not a mobile qb. Nowhere near one. Anybody that actually watches football knows that. What makes you think he is a mobile qb?

You really are wrong on all your points you tried to make.
 
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Rifleman said:
1) Dobbs was recruited to play in this system precisely because it highlights his strengths, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

2) No one has success in the SEC with a bad offensive scheme these days. We lost a HOF coach learning that lesson, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

3) Dobbs has never shown the capacity to make the tight-window throws that top tier NFL QBs routinely make, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

4) Dobbs has shown an extraordinary ability to break tackles and outrun college competition to extend plays, but there is no career in trying to do that against NFL safeties and linebackers, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

5) We did not win the division this year because of our atrociously bad and heavily injured defense, not because of our well-executed and highly-productive offensive scheme, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

6) In conclusion, this was a typical D4H post, entertainingly certain in its correctness while pushing a premise that was fundamentally flawed.
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That's simply not true. There is a reason Dobbs is flying up draft boards and is projected to go in the second round. He's made plenty of NFL throws. You just simply don't know enough about football to see it.
 
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k-town_king said:
1. Dobbs was the best SEC qb this year even with the staff waiting until we were down to pass the ball. Dobbs was also one of the top deep passers in the whole country this year. His passing stats are comparable to many highly drafted or ranked qbs.

You are repeating an uninformed narrative.

2. The NFL will coach him and he is smart. He will be fine.

3. TN won because of his arm several games.

You must not watch the NFL or just be ignorant. Wentz is nowhere near as good as Mariota or Winston. He hasn't even shown anything to say he is better than Bridgewater.

Winston is not a mobile qb. Nowhere near one. Anybody that actually watches football knows that. What makes you think he is a mobile qb?

You really are wrong on all your points you tried to make.
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i tend to agree with this. i don't think Dobbs is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino from a passing standpoint, but the two biggest things that it think stunted that progress was the lack of full time coaching of QB's and the pcs around him weren't always aligned to support a thriving passing game.

i think they tried to implement it, but with issues in protection, WR's not being consistent, turnovers, penalties, no consistency in the run game from RB's, etc, etc, and let's face it, Dobbs wasn't the most consistent passer to begin with, it just didn't happen at TN.

it's going to be intriguing to see what he can do at this level, with more pieces around him and what you would think be an upgrade in coaching....depending on where he lands. the caveat being, against NFL defenses, he won't have the luxury of his legs bailing him out to the same degree they were able to in college, and windows are tighter, and things happen a lot faster.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i tend to agree with this. i don't think Dobbs is the 2nd coming of Dan Marino from a passing standpoint, but the two biggest things that it think stunted that progress was the lack of full time coaching of QB's and the pcs around him weren't always aligned to support a thriving passing game.

i think they tried to implement it, but with issues in protection, WR's not being consistent, turnovers, penalties, no consistency in the run game from RB's, etc, etc, and let's face it, Dobbs wasn't the most consistent passer to begin with, it just didn't happen at TN.

it's going to be intriguing to see what he can do at this level, with more pieces around him and what you would think be an upgrade in coaching....depending on where he lands. the caveat being, against NFL defenses, he won't have the luxury of his legs bailing him out to the same degree they were able to in college, and windows are tighter, and things happen a lot faster.
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Yep. He shouldn't be a top ten pick and isn't an All-Pro lock but he has talent and performed well despite some things going against him. I saw one draft breakdown and they said out of all the qbs this year he had the highest percentage of his passes that were incomplete due to wr error than any other prospect this year.
 
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k-town_king said:
Yep. He shouldn't be a top ten pick and isn't an All-Pro lock but he has talent and performed well despite some things going against him. I saw one draft breakdown and they said out of all the qbs this year he had the highest percentage of his passes that were incomplete due to wr error than any other prospect this year.
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i'd believe it. he probably could have been in the top 2 or 3 in that category after the 1st half of the FL game alone.:eek:lol:
 
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jakez4ut said:
i'd believe it. he probably could have been in the top 2 or 3 in that category after the 1st half of the FL game alone.:eek:lol:
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I believe they said 12.5% of his incompletions were wr error. Some people never want to figure that into their Dobbs bashing. Our wrs and oline probably cost Dobbs millions.
 
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k-town_king said:
I believe they said 12.5% of his incompletions were wr error. Some people never want to figure that into their Dobbs bashing. Our wrs and oline probably cost Dobbs millions.
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well, i don't know about that specifically, cause i just don't think he was ever thought of or expected to be a sure fire NFL draft pick.

strip it all down, and i think you just credit Josh for getting himself to where is now, and you credit TN for providing the opportunity and putting him in a position to do so.:thumbsup:
 
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k-town_king said:
I believe they said 12.5% of his incompletions were wr error. Some people never want to figure that into their Dobbs bashing. Our wrs and oline probably cost Dobbs millions.
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While not completely inaccurate, I'm not sure that's totally fair to the receivers. Dobbs already middling deep ball stats would have been even worse but for his WRs going up and snagging jump balls.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, i don't know about that specifically, cause i just don't think he was ever thought of or expected to be a sure fire NFL draft pick.

strip it all down, and i think you just credit Josh for getting himself to where is now, and you credit TN for providing the opportunity and putting him in a position to do so.:thumbsup:
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That's simply your opinion. There are no facts to support it. I told you guys for 2 years this would happen once Josh came before NFL talent evalutors.

His skill set is ELITE and made for pro football.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
No, in a juvenile fit you told us he sucked.
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Go ahead and keep deflecting so you don't have to admit I was right all along.

I told you guys from the start when almost all of you believed Josh had no chance to even play QB in the NFL that he would be a top draft pick. And now that prediction is coming to fruition.

Don't be scared to admit I was right all along. :)
 
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Burger said:
His skill set isn't elite.
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Yes it is. Louis Riddick and Todd McShay have been saying it lately. And that's because that is what they're hearing from their sources inside the league.

I told you guys months ago that draft boards would only be finalized around this time. And its only now we would start to get an idea of where Dobbs will actually be picked. That is why draft experts are hyping up Josh so much right now. They were late to the party and are trying to make up for it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Go ahead and keep deflecting so you don't have to admit I was right all along.

I told you guys from the start when almost all of you believed Josh had no chance to even play QB in the NFL that he would be a top draft pick. And now that prediction is coming to fruition.

Don't be scared to admit I was right all along. :)
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You have predicted everything from top 10 to he's a bust. You are psychotic at best. If he gets drafted in the 2nd round I think that is awesome for Josh and UT. IT IN NO WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION means that ANY of us condone your childish behavior. You are that really ****ty waiter that you get occasionally at your favorite restaurant. If asked, I would bet that Josh would wish you would go away.
 
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#915
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Josh Dobbs left Tennessee 20 times as good when he got here. His last five games here he looked like a pro quarterback. Some of these scouts had a fixed idea of Dobbs development and have therefore been surprised by how well he's done in workouts.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's simply your opinion. There are no facts to support it. I told you guys for 2 years this would happen once Josh came before NFL talent evalutors.

His skill set is ELITE and made for pro football.
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it's not my opinion that it wasn't talked about, it just wasn't talked about.

you really want me to find something that WASNT talking about Josh Dobbs as a future NFL star???

:crazy:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yes it is. Louis Riddick and Todd McShay have been saying it lately. And that's because that is what they're hearing from their sources inside the league.

I told you guys months ago that draft boards would only be finalized around this time. And its only now we would start to get an idea of where Dobbs will actually be picked. That is why draft experts are hyping up Josh so much right now. They were late to the party and are trying to make up for it.
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Many a wormburners. His loss to South Carolina highlights all of his weaknesses.

Josh Dobbs is like the five standing next to a bunch of twos.
 
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While it certainly looks good for UT and would help Dobbs bank account in the greater scheme of things where he (or anyone for that matter) is drafted is ultimately meaningless once it's time to suit up and start playing. What matters is what we see, or don't see, coming out of NFL practice reports, who makes cuts after preseason and what starts happening on the field during the season.
 
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hndog609 said:
While it certainly looks good for UT and would help Dobbs bank account in the greater scheme of things where he (or anyone for that matter) is drafted is ultimately meaningless once it's time to suit up and start playing. What matters is what we see, or don't see, coming out of NFL practice reports, who makes cuts after preseason and what starts happening on the field during the season.
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Well said! I liked Dobbs a lot and thought he played at max effort while at UT. But none of that matters unless he can produce on the field at an NFL level. Look at Heathe Shuler's career.....
 
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