Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

dobbs set records in that offense. you couuld argue there's some missed opportunities development wise....but not production/utilization wise.

Dobbs set those records in spite of the offense. Imagine if Josh played for an offensive mastermind like Bobby Petrino. If Petrino could turn Lamar Jackson (a guy with actual accuracy issues) into a record breaking Heisman winning QB, what would he have done with Dobbs? Josh may have broken every QB record in the books.

Josh was severely hampered by poor coaching and his own interests outside of football when it came to his major. With no more school and actual coaching he could become scary good.
 
He was only 9 yards shy last year of breaking Peyton Manning's record of total offense in a season. If anything, I think the system was perfect for him.

That has to be measured in light of the pace of the game. Look at total # of plays and time of possession under Peyton versus Dobbs.
There have been a lot of college QBs who have eclipsed Peyton's college #s. It doesn't mean they're better QBs, or that it's a better offense.
 
If anything held him back it was poor pass protection for a large part of his career. If the OL had been better he would have been able to redshirt and would be a senior this year and barring injury it would be crazy what he might have done. Also the receiving corps didn't come around until the emergence of Jennings. I would agree that having a for real QB coach may have helped some too. But Josh had a phenomenal career so to say he was held back consequentially is radio shock jock talk.

agreed.:thumbsup:
 
If anything held him back it was poor pass protection for a large part of his career. If the OL had been better he would have been able to redshirt and would be a senior this year and barring injury it would be crazy what he might have done. Also the receiving corps didn't come around until the emergence of Jennings. I would agree that having a for real QB coach may have helped some too. But Josh had a phenomenal career so to say he was held back consequentially is radio shock jock talk.

Bingo
 
He was only 9 yards shy last year of breaking Peyton Manning's record of total offense in a season. If anything, I think the system was perfect for him.

He did all that in spite of the coaching and system. Not because of it.

When you see Dobbs ripping apart the NFL you'll see how embrassing it is for Butch Jones that he wasn't able to win a divisional crown with such a weapon.
 
After their participation in the Peyton Manning witch hunt, these clowns supply all of my football insight.
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First of all...Greenberg asked Louis Riddick, ex-Lions GM I think, who his favorite "can't miss" prospects are. He said Dobbs was his 4th and that he will be drafted much earlier than ppl think. Said that Dobbs made corrections requested by coaches at senior bowl instantly and incorporated them into his game. Then said Tennessee coaches did not help him grow as a passer and he was held back by the system. Said Dobbs has been blowing teams away during interviews and is one of the fastest rising prospects...and that he will be taken before Deshone Kizer.

Now that you have context, please continue bashing Espn or Mike and Mike or whatever else as you fools see fit.
 
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First of all...Greenberg asked Louis Riddick, ex-Lions GM I think, who his favorite "can't miss" prospects are. He said Dobbs was his 4th and that he will be drafted much earlier than ppl think. Said that Dobbs made corrections requested by coaches at senior bowl instantly and incorporated them into his game. Then said Tennessee coaches did not help him grow as a passer and he was held back by the system. Said Dobbs has been blowing teams away during interviews and is one of the fastest rising prospects...and that he will be taken before Deshone Kizer.

Now that you have context, please continue bashing Espn or Mike and Mike or whatever else as you fools see fit.

Ok.
 
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The system held him back? I don't think so

Honestly, I agree. He always had the ball in his hands, especially post Hurd. Offense was designed for him. Perhaps he wasn't greatly developed, I'd agree there....but the offensive system was absolutely designed for his skill set.
 
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Dobbs set those records in spite of the offense. Imagine if Josh played for an offensive mastermind like Bobby Petrino. If Petrino could turn Lamar Jackson (a guy with actual accuracy issues) into a record breaking Heisman winning QB, what would he have done with Dobbs? Josh may have broken every QB record in the books.

Josh was severely hampered by poor coaching and his own interests outside of football when it came to his major. With no more school and actual coaching he could become scary good.

potato patato. i don't know that i'd say poor coaching. just not enough, technically speaking, for the qb position. developmentally, he is what he is, and that at least is in part due to the fact we coached the position by committee to a large degree.

"the offense" wasn't really the issue. again, if you go back and watch what plays were being called, especially when the offense was struggling, it wasn't the calls that were necessarily bad. a lot of the plays that made you say "wow" were also some of the same plays that made you scratch your head at times.

protection break downs, poor routes/not getting open, drops, turnovers, penalties, some bad throws......the lions' share of the issues on offense were execution related.

the only times i would say it wasn't was in situational football. that's when the coaching curled up in the fetal position, and became predictable.

and still, even with all that, Dobbs was as productive a qb as we've had in 15 years. where i think Dobbs showed the most improvement 15 to 16 was handling pressure. he wasn't perfect, but he made some plays from the pocket last year with guys in his face, or while he was about to get clobbered, that we hadn't seen him make...ever.

for two years everybody wants to pin the offense on one thing, good or bad, and the reality is the difference in 2016 vs 2015 was WR's got better, and made more plays, and the O line, though marginally, was better..and Dobbs got better at placing the ball...long story short, it was a group effort, both ways.

we'll see if the new coaches on the offensive side of the ball can change that.

for Josh, you just credit him for doing what he did and putting himself in the position he's in today. i do agree that IF IN THE RIGHT SITUATION, with the right coaching, in the right type of offense, the sky could be the limit.

i attached an analysis the other night from SteelerDepot.com that went thru some of the highs/lows of this development, illustrating some of this.
 
First of all...Greenberg asked Louis Riddick, ex-Lions GM I think, who his favorite "can't miss" prospects are. He said Dobbs was his 4th and that he will be drafted much earlier than ppl think. Said that Dobbs made corrections requested by coaches at senior bowl instantly and incorporated them into his game. Then said Tennessee coaches did not help him grow as a passer and he was held back by the system. Said Dobbs has been blowing teams away during interviews and is one of the fastest rising prospects...and that he will be taken before Deshone Kizer.

Now that you have context, please continue bashing Espn or Mike and Mike or whatever else as you fools see fit.

Thanks for the context.

And can't say anything Louis Riddick said surprises me. I knew from the moment I saw Josh come in against Alabama in 2014 that he would be a star at the next level.

Some guys are made to be college stars others are made to be NFL superstars. Josh is just one of those guys meant to be a NFL superstar.

Greatness lies ahead for him.
 
5 star Prima Donnas blowing up the team half way through the season held him back, an injury report that would have made Eisenhower throw in the towel held him back, A course curriculum that would have kept Einstein off the field held him back, having to run more then he could throw because of the O line held him back.... I think Butch was the last of his worries. I'm convinced somebody is going to get a baller at the next level.
 
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ESPN sets the standard for everyone. Remember when we only had about 15 minutes of sports on the nightly news? I couldn't believe it when they first came on and it was sports all day! Some of the personalities are great and some are not, but all in all we are lucky. As far as the political channels go, you like the ones that tell you what you want to hear!
 
First of all...Greenberg asked Louis Riddick, ex-Lions GM I think, who his favorite "can't miss" prospects are. He said Dobbs was his 4th and that he will be drafted much earlier than ppl think. Said that Dobbs made corrections requested by coaches at senior bowl instantly and incorporated them into his game. Then said Tennessee coaches did not help him grow as a passer and he was held back by the system. Said Dobbs has been blowing teams away during interviews and is one of the fastest rising prospects...and that he will be taken before Deshone Kizer.

Now that you have context, please continue bashing Espn or Mike and Mike or whatever else as you fools see fit.


I don't think anyone here likes context. It requires thinking and resisting knee-jerk reactions. Very good post.
 
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Having to listen to Mike Greenberg speak for more than 5 minutes would be as close to cruel and unusual punishment as one could get.
 
Hitting guys in stride is what held Dobbs back. Many of his completions were due to the WR adjusting to the ball.

The ball was in his hands to make the read of keep, give, or pass. I understand every play that we ran wasn't the option, but plenty of times it was his read to make.

Beardedvol nailed it about the QB coach issue.

The system showcased his talents of running and passing, it may not have developed him as a NFL QB, but unless a program runs an NFL scheme the system will always be a hinder in the development.
 
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one Mike went to Brown, I think...two Mike went to Notre Dame...talking heads...neither know ****...that's history anyway...

GO VOLS!

Greenberg went to Northwestern. He's probably still hurt from the beating UT gave them in Tampa.

Good point. He probably meant, that the system held Dobbs back from scoring 75 points --

Tenn 45 - 6 NorthWestern .

Ahh, now I see the context above. Greenburg sounds about right there.
 
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He did all that in spite of the coaching and system. Not because of it.

When you see Dobbs ripping apart the NFL you'll see how embrassing it is for Butch Jones that he wasn't able to win a divisional crown with such a weapon.

1) Dobbs was recruited to play in this system precisely because it highlights his strengths, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

2) No one has success in the SEC with a bad offensive scheme these days. We lost a HOF coach learning that lesson, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

3) Dobbs has never shown the capacity to make the tight-window throws that top tier NFL QBs routinely make, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

4) Dobbs has shown an extraordinary ability to break tackles and outrun college competition to extend plays, but there is no career in trying to do that against NFL safeties and linebackers, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

5) We did not win the division this year because of our atrociously bad and heavily injured defense, not because of our well-executed and highly-productive offensive scheme, so your premise is fundamentally flawed.

6) In conclusion, this was a typical D4H post, entertainingly certain in its correctness while pushing a premise that was fundamentally flawed.
 
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I'd love to be very wrong about JD. At the end of this season, I didn't think there was any way he would be taken before the 5th round. Seems as though he is trending higher and higher each and every week.
 
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