Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Like I said this gift is hard to explain. It doesn't take long for me to tell whether a guy can play or not.

Kaaya just jumped out to me more than any other QB in this class not named Josh Dobbs.

When my final rankings for the 2017 draft come out, you'll see how big a fan of Kaaya I am.

He's a top 15 overall player in this loaded draft IMO.
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So your gift for evaluating players doesn't include the ability to communicate your evaluations? Is this some rare form of autism?
 
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I'm almost 100% certain that Brad Kaaya was one of the worst performing QB's at the draft. Kaaya is this years version of D4H's Kelvin Taylor...
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I know. Kaaya is the prototypical NFL pocket passer. He fits the bill of every cliche NFL teams typically use when trying to evaluate a QB.

I have no idea why he's not more highly thought of.

NFL teams were right to like him before the season. I don't know why they bailed on him. They might be over thinking this because Kaaya is a way better prospect than Jared Goff coming out and he went #1 overall.
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He's no pj walker.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dak Prescott went in the 4th round in 2016 and was a day 1 starter. Derek Carr went in the 2nd round in 2014 and was a day 1 starter. Russell Wilson went in the 3rd round in 2012 and was a day 1 starter.

Just because no one in the NFL believes in you doesn't mean you aren't a franchise caliber QB on day 1.

I believe Josh Dobbs and Brad Kaaya carry on the mantle of what Wilson, Carr, and Prescott have done as mid-round picks who turned out to be franchise QBs from the jump.
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3 out of 32. Nice.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
I'm almost 100% certain that Brad Kaaya was one of the worst performing QB's at the draft. Kaaya is this years version of D4H's Kelvin Taylor...
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We'll see. I will say I never saw Kelvin Taylor as a "star". I thought he would be a good starting RB and better than Derrick Henry.

I see Kaaya as a potential STAR. My comp for him is Matt Ryan. He can't carry a team on his back like the elite QBs but give him a good o-line and good skill position players and he can be an MVP.

Brad Kaaya is extremely underrated.
 
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Burger said:
3 out of 32. Nice.
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Those 3 are the best young QBs in the league and among the top 10 QBs overall.

And they're not the only ones. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. Kirk Cousins was a 4th rounder. Tyrod Taylor was a 5th rounder.

There are many quality starting QBs that were not 1st Round picks.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This is my first year where I will be coming out with in-depth rankings.

Last year I dabbled in it a little bit when it comes to certain players I liked more than others and those I liked less.
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I'll get your rankings to people who do this for a living and see what they like. Your enthusiasm is great, your certainty is entertaining, your ability to be determined. Teams bring in guys who have successful blogs/analytic ideas/etc. Put 5 years of strong rankings together and do this for a living if you love it. I'd focus on 2 positions or a region of the country if you're seriously evaluating each prospect. I'm sure I could get you NFL evaluation film if you want. Gl to you.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
We'll see. I will say I never saw Kelvin Taylor as a "star". I thought he would be a good starting RB and better than Derrick Henry.

I see Kaaya as a potential STAR. My comp for him is Matt Ryan. He can't carry a team on his back like the elite QBs but give him a good o-line and good skill position players and he can be an MVP.

Brad Kaaya is extremely underrated.
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No, he's actually overrated. His scouting report basically says the exact opposite of what you say. He lacks the feel for the game and is too mechanical. Lol, you sure you're watching the same Brad Kaaya all these highly informed and competent scouts are watching??

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/brad-kaaya?id=2558016
 
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bamawriter said:
You moved the goalposts again. You said Taylor was the second best back in the draft after Elliott.
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Exactly. That just happened to be a weak RB class.

In this years draft you will soon see that I have Eddie Vanderdoes (DT from UCLA) as the second ranked interior defensive lineman in the draft behind Solomon Thomas and ahead of Jonathan Allen. That doesn't mean I think Vanderdoes will necessarily be a star. He's just the second best in a rather weak class of interior defensive lineman.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
No, he's actually overrated. His scouting report basically says the exact opposite of what you say. He lacks the feel for the game and is too mechanical. Lol, you sure you're watching the same Brad Kaaya all these highly informed and competent scouts are watching??

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/brad-kaaya?id=2558016
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Those same scouts probably didn't believe in Dak, Russell, and Carr either. Just because scouts say it doesn't make it so.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those same scouts probably didn't believe in Dak, Russell, and Carr either. Just because scouts say it doesn't make it so.
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They believed in other guys more or didn't need a QB. Green Bay having mediocre skill players is also laughable.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Those same scouts probably didn't believe in Dak, Russell, and Carr either. Just because scouts say it doesn't make it so.
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Ok, you always cherry pick one or two guys to prove your point, which yes, you are correct on. HOWEVER, these "scouts" are right way more than they are wrong. Why? Because they get paid good money to do their job. Statistics will show that something crazy like 1/4 drafted players actually has a career longer than a few years. So if a scout gets it right 50% of the time then they are doing a hell of a job.

You, on the other hand, make outlandish predictions that go against what most well-informed scouts say.

And just because you say it, most definitely doesn't mean it is so, although you would argue and berate anyone that has an opinion unaligned to yours.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Exactly. That just happened to be a weak RB class.

In this years draft you will soon see that I have Eddie Vanderdoes (DT from UCLA) as the second ranked interior defensive lineman in the draft behind Solomon Thomas and ahead of Jonathan Allen. That doesn't mean I think Vanderdoes will necessarily be a star. He's just the second best in a rather weak class of interior defensive lineman.
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What do you think of Naz Jones?
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Ok, you always cherry pick one or two guys to prove your point, which yes, you are correct on. HOWEVER, these "scouts" are right way more than they are wrong. Why? Because they get paid good money to do their job. Statistics will show that something crazy like 1/4 drafted players actually has a career longer than a few years. So if a scout gets it right 50% of the time then they are doing a hell of a job.

You, on the other hand, make outlandish predictions that go against what most well-informed scouts say.

And just because you say it, most definitely doesn't mean it is so, although you would argue and berate anyone that has an opinion unaligned to yours.
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Pretty much every scout knows what the big schools have. The great ones see smaller school guys.
 
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#595
If you look at the last 10 years of Patriots drafts you won't be overwhelmed. It's nearly impossible to get real value on 50% of your picks. You take kids who 4 years ago were in a trailer and then they instantly become celebrities, it's impossible to accurately predict how guys will react to money, girls, independence, and being hit by grown men. Look at the fuller boys, each is really talented, but Kyle is about to be cut because he just didn't respond to the physicality of the NFL, it's truly insane to witness up close. The QBs only have any chance if you're patient and have a line. My cousin does this for a living in Indi and my uncle coached in the NFL, it's just a world that no one is prepared for out of college, you can't truly anticipate how dramatic any of the changes are.
 
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Burger said:
Pretty much every scout knows what the big schools have. The great ones see smaller school guys.
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Jay Ratliff disagrees.

The most important part, imo, are the position coaches. Morgan Moses goes from a bum to a stud when Callahan move from Dallas to Washington.
 
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James K Folks said:
What do you think of Naz Jones?
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He was my previous #2 among the interior defensive lineman after Solomon Thomas. Really liked how he flashed in the bowl game against Stanford. Was disappointed in his athletic testing at the combine. I thought he was little more twitchy as an athlete.

Still think he has good potential. Reminds me of Chris Jones who went to Miss State and was drafted by the Chiefs in the second round.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He was my previous #2 among the interior defensive lineman after Solomon Thomas. Really liked how he flashed in the bowl game against Stanford. Was disappointed in his athletic testing at the combine. I thought he was little more twitchy as an athlete.

Still think he has good potential. Reminds me of Chris Jones who went to Miss State and was drafted by the Chiefs in the second round.
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I like ole Naz, he's projected to go in 6, seems like a nice value there I enjoy looking at the later rounds.

How to you rank these guys: Allen, McDowell, Brantley, Wormley, Johnson (Iowa), Naz Jones, Tomlinson, Eddie Van, Walker, Smart, Taylor, Ogunjobi and Adams.

Adams is an interesting prospect I've seen him in round 1 and round 5.

Your boy Chris Jones got some round 1 talk last year, I was bullish on Bullard and he was abysmal. Naz would fit in well in the late rounds for my Tomsula led Redskins DL.

Ole Wormley killed his pro day but in his highlights all I saw was Taco taco taco.
 
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Burger said:
Coaching is important. Callahan is one of the best Oline guys in the business.
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Pro football focus ranked Ty Nsekhe as a top 10 OT when he played for Trent (4 game suspension) - Ty was nearly out of football before Callahan got his hands on the 6-8 monster. Just amazing what those special coaches can do.
 
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