Questions from a Millennial?

#101
#101
Keep in mind we had been used to above average qb play even before Peyton. Kelly, Heath, ultimately Peyton his Frosh year. I think the thought was our D would carry us (accurate) and we would be 8-9 wins. Keeping in mind at that time volnation couldn't fathom a 6-7 win season. Furthermore, after T, we had Casey and Ainge.

I do feel like this year is the first year, no offense to Dobbs, or his predecessors, that we have a top notch qb competition, where whoever wins the job can be potentially "all sec" good.
 
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#102
#102
Enki_Amenra said:
The extra game is a win? Did you miss the Oklahoma games and the Oregon game? High likelihood that Fulmer's teams would've lost most, if not all, of those games.

Bottom line? Fulmer never produced any inexplicable losses with a far superior team? Memphis is the easy one.

The bottom line is that Fulmer only produced somewhat better results in his first 3+/- years, although he had a far superior roster.

His record in his 3rd year as HC was the same as CBJ's, though it could've been better or worse with an extra game to play. He didn't win the SEC East or the SEC until his 6th year.

The point is that Fulmer was one of the best coaches we've ever had and CBJ has not under-performed on expectations as a whole, doing so while completely rebuilding the program from the lowest point in it's history.

I don't know if CBJ will continue to produce ascending results or if he will ever win more than he has. I do believe that arguing he is garbage and can't get the job done when all the facts show that he is getting the job done to this point is ridiculous, irresponsible, and somewhat immature.
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Could be off season blind optimism, but something about the new coaches, being under the radar, hopefully a chip on our shoulders and relatively talented (though unproven in some areas), has me thinking we could have a pretty good year. Oh, and no four game gauntlet death march this year. Go Vols!
 
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#103
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Enki_Amenra said:
The extra game is a win? Did you miss the Oklahoma games and the Oregon game? High likelihood that Fulmer's teams would've lost most, if not all, of those games.

Bottom line? Fulmer never produced any inexplicable losses with a far superior team? Memphis is the easy one.

The bottom line is that Fulmer only produced somewhat better results in his first 3+/- years, although he had a far superior roster.

His record in his 3rd year as HC was the same as CBJ's, though it could've been better or worse with an extra game to play. He didn't win the SEC East or the SEC until his 6th year.

The point is that Fulmer was one of the best coaches we've ever had and CBJ has not under-performed on expectations as a whole, doing so while completely rebuilding the program from the lowest point in it's history.

I don't know if CBJ will continue to produce ascending results or if he will ever win more than he has. I do believe that arguing he is garbage and can't get the job done when all the facts show that he is getting the job done to this point is ridiculous, irresponsible, and somewhat immature.
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Cut and Chief kept Fulmer out of trouble. Cut was able to run Philmer's offense so Philmer effectively stayed out of the way. Chief was a trusted commodity. I am hoping that CBJ is getting there. Let the coaches do their thing and stay out of the way. We will see if he is capable of that this year.
 
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#104
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Boca Vol said:
They gave UT fits Manning's last 3 seasons. Those Vandy D's were legit.
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In the 90's, I remember people would joke around that if you could combine vanderbilt's defense and kentucky's offense, they'd be unstoppable.

Those Kentucky teams gave us a couple of scares too.
 
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He_Made_It said:
In the 90's, I remember people would joke around that if you could combine vanderbilt's defense and kentucky's offense, they'd be unstoppable.

Those Kentucky teams gave us a couple of scares too.
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I learned to never bet on UT during the Peyton years. Gave Candy and the line in 95-97. Lost all three.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
The extra game is a win? Did you miss the Oklahoma games and the Oregon game? High likelihood that Fulmer's teams would've lost most, if not all, of those games.

Bottom line? Fulmer never produced any inexplicable losses with a far superior team? Memphis is the easy one.

The bottom line is that Fulmer only produced somewhat better results in his first 3+/- years, although he had a far superior roster.

His record in his 3rd year as HC was the same as CBJ's, though it could've been better or worse with an extra game to play. He didn't win the SEC East or the SEC until his 6th year.

The point is that Fulmer was one of the best coaches we've ever had and CBJ has not under-performed on expectations as a whole, doing so while completely rebuilding the program from the lowest point in it's history.

I don't know if CBJ will continue to produce ascending results or if he will ever win more than he has. I do believe that arguing he is garbage and can't get the job done when all the facts show that he is getting the job done to this point is ridiculous, irresponsible, and somewhat immature.
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Totally agree with this. The comparison of Fulmer to Jones is not a good one in terms of where they both started. The records for the 4 seasons before each became HC:

Fulmer: 38-9-2
Jones: 22-27

Time will tell if CBJ can take Tennessee back to the top, but there is no doubt that he has made progress getting the program headed back in the right direction.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Totally agree with this. The comparison of Fulmer to Jones is not a good one in terms of where they both started. The records for the 4 seasons before each became HC:

Fulmer: 38-9-2
Jones: 22-27

Time will tell if CBJ can take Tennessee back to the top, but there is no doubt that he has made progress getting the program headed back in the right direction.
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Except Tennessee has usually always scheduled one tough OOC opponent and cupcakes. Sometimes it doesn't pan out. Oregon and OU werent the extra games
 
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#109
The talent level for the 98 team was incredible. Tee was good at QB certainly not great by anyone's estimation but the defense was exceptional for sure. OL was really good. And if we're all judgement day honest EVERYTHING fell prefectly for us which it must for EVERY NC winner I don't care how talented you are. BUT THE BIGGIE IS YOU MUST AVOID RASHES OF INJURIES.....
 
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#110
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volfan102455 said:
Some will say they were happy but when it was happening it was never enough. There was always the game that he should have won and lost that cost Tennessee either the SEC or the NC.

Florida and Memphis in 1996. Florida and the blowout by Nebraska in 1997. The blowout by Florida in Gainsville in 1995. Georgia and LSU in 2001. Florida and Arkansas in 1999. Except for 1998, there was always a game ... and he struggled with Florida / Spurrier owned him which Tennessee fans hated.
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And to a degree what Fulmer did do here is not appreciated as much as it should be, especially when some are scratching around for hope.

Fulmer missed chances during the great years and got lazy toward the end of his tenure. Heck Saban has missed chances during his which is phenomenal on a different level.
Fulmer having to go through Spurrier to get to anything of note may be the best point you have made in this thread.

In the meantime, Jones is still trying to figure out how to out do a guy that UF fans are still not sure they want long term, while UGA and even SC fans are still wondering if they got it right. And that's not to win the conference but just get a chance to lose to Bama twice in the same season.
 
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#111
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82_VOL_83 said:
Cut and Chief kept Fulmer out of trouble. Cut was able to run Philmer's offense so Philmer effectively stayed out of the way. Chief was a trusted commodity. I am hoping that CBJ is getting there. Let the coaches do their thing and stay out of the way. We will see if he is capable of that this year.
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That's the sign of a competent leader.

Fulmer had some other issues later in his career but knowing who he could bring in and let coach was his strength during the high years.
 
#113
#113
hief's defenses giving up 45-56 points a game to UF
BeecherVol said:
That's the sign of a competent leader.

Fulmer had some other issues later in his career but knowing who he could bring in and let coach was his strength during the high years.
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Chief's defenses giving up 40-50 points to UF every year prohibited Fulmer from winning more SEC Championships and likely another National Championship.
 
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BeecherVol said:
That's the sign of a competent leader.

Fulmer had some other issues later in his career but knowing who he could bring in and let coach was his strength during the high years.
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Not sure I get what you're saying. Cutcliffe, Chavis, Caldwell, Sanders were already on Majors' staff.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
hief's defenses giving up 45-56 points a game to UF

Chief's defenses giving up 40-50 points to UF every year prohibited Fulmer from winning more SEC Championships and likely another National Championship.
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How many teams was UF not scoring on during that stretch?
 
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#117
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82_VOL_83 said:
Cut and Chief kept Fulmer out of trouble. Cut was able to run Philmer's offense so Philmer effectively stayed out of the way. Chief was a trusted commodity. I am hoping that CBJ is getting there. Let the coaches do their thing and stay out of the way. We will see if he is capable of that this year.
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I think we are all hoping this is he case. If Shoop is who we think he is, along with D coaching changes I think D should be back to top 30ish unit range. I think addition of qb coach will be a plus. My two X factor concerns are that Scott has learning curve on scheming, and that Shoop, for whatever reason, doesn't have the sophomore redemption season we think will have. If either of these two things don't pan out, could be trouble...but it is off season, where 10-11 win seasons are rationalized, so Go Vols!!!
 
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#121
GAVol said:
I don't think I've ever felt as bad for a coach as I did Randy Sanders. He coached his ass off in 2004 and basically got sacrificed 8 games into 2005.
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It sucks to see local, homegrown, UT guys not work out. Randy was a good guy from everything I know, he just wasn't as good as the guy before him which doesn't help.

I agree his best work was 04 with 2 Fr QBs.
 
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#122
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BeecherVol said:
Sanders wasn't an OC imo.

Clawson was poor timing. He can coach but the leash was too short at that point for them to navigate a learning curve year.
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Not sure if leash too short on clawson or if too much of a "mentality" change, where players we had on team weren't matched to, what, in essence is our offense today. IT WAS A TRAINWRECK. Sometimes timing is just really bad, and it does not work. Nathan Peterman is another example. He ended up being very good qb, but his appearances at UT qb were so bad early on, that he was damaged goods as far as being potential starter.
 
#123
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njvols said:
Not sure if leash too short on clawson or if too much of a "mentality" change, where players we had on team weren't matched to, what, in essence is our offense today. IT WAS A TRAINWRECK. Sometimes timing is just really bad, and it does not work. Nathan Peterman is another example. He ended up being very good qb, but his appearances at UT qb were so bad early on, that he was damaged goods as far as being potential starter.
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Had Clawson replaced Cut after 98 (when Fulmer was at the high note and with better talent) he would have made it.

The short leash was more on Fulmer. He didn't have 2 years to get it fixed.
 
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#124
#124
On Peterman, I felt sorrow for that kid while he was here.

Glad to see him succeed, even if it wasn't here.
 
#125
#125
volfan102455 said:
Totally agree with this. The comparison of Fulmer to Jones is not a good one in terms of where they both started. The records for the 4 seasons before each became HC:

Fulmer: 38-9-2
Jones: 22-27

Time will tell if CBJ can take Tennessee back to the top, but there is no doubt that he has made progress getting the program headed back in the right direction.
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Witch Doctor say Fulmer followed Majors which had brought the team back
Jones followed the mess of Kiffen and Dooley, in fairness I think Dooley had set back the program much much more than any coach at Tennessee. I agree he has climbed us back somewhat, but with our messed up Admin and Dooley...hes had a much harder job than Fulmer.

BNL
* with how Fulmer was fired, kiffen bolting, Dooley screwing up just about everything..the mad women in the AD and the messed up AD dept and now the way they hired Currie...this is NOT a destination job for any coach thats good, Im thinking we are lucky to have Jones...this is the world we live in now..
 
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