Butch Jones has revised the program

[volintheham]

You said "my fear" is that he will win enough which is the same as saying that I hope the team loses enough.

Fade can defend himself but that is not at all what that means. That statement means mediocre winning and toilet bowls will be just enough to keep his job. He expects more from UT and should.

 

[IknoxvolsI]

So that the next up and rising coach can be hired and folks can complain because it wasn't who they thought it should be. And when that coach has an average season - the same old same old will start again.

Still no excuse for wishing a team one supposedly supports will lose.

No! Hire a competant DI coach to begin with! Then you wont hear from Negas any more!

 

[volfan102455]

I still don't understand how people don't get that either way (nega or sunshine pumper) we all want UT to be on top again. Seeing the last 10 NC coaches can you honestly say you believe Butch is comparable? Be honest.

Let's take a look at the 6 coaches in question.

4 of the championships have been won by Saban

2 by Urban Meyer at Florida and then Ohio State

1 by Jimbo Fisher who has been on a steady decline ever since winning the NC (14-0, 13-1, 10-3, 10-3 falling from 1st to 3rd in the ACC conference)

1 by Chizk who followed that with records of 8-5 and 3-9 at Auburn; seriously he hasn't done anything worthwhile since the NC.

1 by Les Miles who followed that with what is considered as a decline giving the talent he has had (10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 9-3, and then 2-2 before he was fired)

1 by Swinney who won the NC in his 9th year at Clemson; even though he lost to an 8-5 team and made his way back into the playoffs as other teams lost.

There is absolutely no other coach like Saban in college football. To pretend that any of these other coaches is in that league is ridiculous.

As for the other coaches - to be honest only Meyer really stands out as he is the only multiple NC winner. The others lose games they should win - which is the big criticism many of you have about CBJ.

 

[volfan102455]

No! Hire a competant DI coach to begin with! Then you wont hear from Negas any more!

You are making the mistake of believing that the negas can agree on who is a competent DI coach. There are many threads on here that clearly shows that is not the case. Many of the negas actually mention coaches like Cutcliffe who has a losing record at Duke and is just barely above 500 as a head coach.

And many thought Herman of Houston, now at Texas, was good yet he lost to 3 teams he should have easily beat.

 

[AllVolForLife_16]

Things will have to absolutely fall apart this year for CBJ to get fired. Just because a few causal, vocal fans want to go thru a coaching search ever few years doesn't mean the university or real donors do and that's who calls the shots. But I do hope this year put some of the amateur critics in a position to only complain about the weather, the food, their dates etc and stay away from analyzing football...

Yeah it's not like any major sports media outlets have him at #1 on the hot seat coming into 2017 or anything...

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Jones showed hi's maximum value the past two seasons. For some it's goodone enough and for others it isn't. We've been here before folks. Some of you said we shouldn't replace Dooley because of instability.

 

[fade route]

Fade can defend himself but that is not at all what that means. That statement means mediocre winning and toilet bowls will be just enough to keep his job. He expects more from UT and should.

Well at least you get it 👍🏻

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I still don't understand how people don't get that either way (nega or sunshine pumper) we all want UT to be on top again. Seeing the last 10 NC coaches can you honestly say you believe Butch is comparable? Be honest.

I never thought it of Dabo either to be honest...until he did it.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Let's take a look at the 6 coaches in question.

4 of the championships have been won by Saban

2 by Urban Meyer at Florida and then Ohio State

1 by Jimbo Fisher who has been on a steady decline ever since winning the NC (14-0, 13-1, 10-3, 10-3 falling from 1st to 3rd in the ACC conference)

1 by Chizk who followed that with records of 8-5 and 3-9 at Auburn; seriously he hasn't done anything worthwhile since the NC.

1 by Les Miles who followed that with what is considered as a decline giving the talent he has had (10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 9-3, and then 2-2 before he was fired)

1 by Swinney who won the NC in his 9th year at Clemson; even though he lost to an 8-5 team and made his way back into the playoffs as other teams lost.

There is absolutely no other coach like Saban in college football. To pretend that any of these other coaches is in that league is ridiculous.

As for the other coaches - to be honest only Meyer really stands out as he is the only multiple NC winner. The others lose games they should win - which is the big criticism many of you have about CBJ.

Solid post.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

You are making the mistake of believing that the negas can agree on who is a competent DI coach. There are many threads on here that clearly shows that is not the case. Many of the negas actually mention coaches like Cutcliffe who has a losing record at Duke and is just barely above 500 as a head coach.

And many thought Herman of Houston, now at Texas, was good yet he lost to 3 teams he should have easily beat.

Exactly. No matter what, some will find fault with whoever we hire because they thrive on the negativity.

 

[KBVol]

Lol, not at all what I was saying

Doesn't matter what you were saying Fade that's his narrative and what he wants to ***** and moan about. You know this.

 

[BeardedVol]

I never thought it of Dabo either to be honest...until he did it.

Until he did what? Dabo's first full year as head coach he went 6-2 in the conference and played in the ACC championship game.

There are literally no similarities between Dabo's first 4 seasons at Clemson and CBJ's at UT, except for the color orange.

 

[Skizer41]

So much damn negativity on this board.

Tell me about it. I wish Negavols would listen to Rocky in Rocky V:

"If I can change. And you can change. Everybody can change."

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Jones showed hi's maximum value the past two seasons. For some it's goodone enough and for others it isn't. We've been here before folks. Some of you said we shouldn't replace Dooley because of instability.

You would have said the same thing about Dabo at his same stage at Clemson. Don't give the name "Hillbilly" a bad name unless that is your intention.

 

[BeardedVol]

You would have said the same thing about Dabo at his same stage at Clemson. Don't give the name "Hillbilly" a bad name unless that is your intention.

No he wouldn't, and no one else was either.

Dabo going into his fifth season as head coach had an overall record of 40-21, conference record of 26-11, had won his division three times, and the division once.

CBJ going into his fifth season as head coach, has a 30-21 overall record with a 14-18 conference record, zero division titles, zero conference titles.

Going into his fifth season Dabo was miles beyond where Butch is going into 2017.

 

[Crew]

Tell me about it. I wish Negavols would listen to Rocky in Rocky V:

"If I can change. And you can change. Everybody can change."

...that's Rocky 4.

 

[chargervol]

Until he did what? Dabo's first full year as head coach he went 6-2 in the conference and played in the ACC championship game.

There are literally no similarities between Dabo's first 4 seasons at Clemson and CBJ's at UT, except for the color orange.

Lol, the 2009 ACC. I remember that cluster**** of a season for that conference. I think he played one good team, Miami?

And by good, I mean they had a 9 win season? Which by your standards, is a fireable offense, so by your standards, I guess Clemson played no one in 2009.
But I digress, because like you, I believe that Swinney is a good coach.

But I know what the other poster meant, many grew impatient with Swinney because it took him 6 or 7 years to build a championship program.
6 or 7 years? Well that's just weird

 

[Iam4utalways]

So many misunderstood people.

No Loyal Vol Fan wants the Vols to lose another game any more.

Some feel the only way to get rid of Jones, whom they believe can't get it done, is for him to lose enough games so he'd get fired.
They would settle for him to win his way to the NFL, but don't really consider that as a rational option.

To believe it's possible is borderline delusional, is some Vols fan's opinion.

I think he can get it done based off a few scattered games, halves, and qtrs.

So for me it's easy, win em all.

Figure it out Butch.

There are a few that don't think he can get it done, but they aren't ready to fire him. That I don't get.

When I've decided that CBJ isn't capable of "getting it done", I will call for his job.

My expectation is CBJ has figured it out and we are about to start our NC run that will chase Saban out of the league, and restore the world to it's natural order.

 

[BeardedVol]

Lol, the 2009 ACC. I remember that cluster**** of a season for that conference. I think he played one good team, Miami?

And by good, I mean they had a 9 win season? Which by your standards, is a fireable offense, so by your standards, I guess Clemson played no one in 2009.
But I digress, because like you, I believe that Swinney is a good coach.

But I know what the other poster meant, many grew impatient with Swinney because it took him 6 or 7 years to build a championship program.
6 or 7 years? Well that's just weird

So what if the ACC was a wreck in 2009? Dabo still at least clinched a division title. In 2016 the SECe was a wreck, the SECw wasn't that much better outside of Alabama, and CBJ still couldn't even pull off a winning conference record.

Saying that it took Dabo 6-7 years to build a "championship" winning football team is patently false. He won the ACC in his third full season as a coach. No matter how much you want it to be, there are no real similarities between Dabo and Butch at the fifth year mark at their respective schools.

 

[IknoxvolsI]

His largest telling point was the '15 season. The melt downs against Oklahoma, Fla, and Arkansas proved he is not a Div I coach. Last years total and complete meltdows against aTM, Vandy, and USCe backs that up. And in all those stupid and crazy sayings and he's just embarressing. Dude is waaay out of his league!

Then again, can VN imagine the meltdowns on this board had he won those games in '15 and no won the SEC last year and not been in playoff?

 

[KBVol]

Lol, the 2009 ACC. I remember that cluster**** of a season for that conference. I think he played one good team, Miami?

And by good, I mean they had a 9 win season? Which by your standards, is a fireable offense, so by your standards, I guess Clemson played no one in 2009.
But I digress, because like you, I believe that Swinney is a good coach.

But I know what the other poster meant, many grew impatient with Swinney because it took him 6 or 7 years to build a championship program.
6 or 7 years? Well that's just weird

6-7 years? Swinney won a conference title in 2009, year 3. Nobody's asking Butch to win a national or even SEC title....just a division title would do for now.

 

[Boca Vol]

So that the next up and rising coach can be hired and folks can complain because it wasn't who they thought it should be. And when that coach has an average season - the same old same old will start again.

Still no excuse for wishing a team one supposedly supports will lose.

Average seasons are the high-water mark of Jones' tenure at UT.

 

[chargervol]

So what if the ACC was a wreck in 2009? Dabo still at least clinched a division title. In 2016 the SECe was a wreck, the SECw wasn't that much better outside of Alabama, and CBJ still couldn't even pull off a winning conference record.

Saying that it took Dabo 6-7 years to build a "championship" winning football team is patently false. He won the ACC in his third full season as a coach. No matter how much you want it to be, there are no real similarities between Dabo and Butch at the fifth year mark at their respective schools.

Oh wow, so the guy who has lived by "but who has he beaten" in the past, now says it doesn't matter?

As for the rest of your stupid azz rant, I'm not the one who's ever compared their 5 progress.
You just attributed that to me because you're doing what you always do, trying to find something else to whine about. Put down your saber and pour some water on that burning bra of yours. You got the wrong person chief.

Have you ever thought about taking a day off from your constant moaning?

 

[chargervol]

6-7 years? Swinney won a conference title in 2009, year 3. Nobody's asking Butch to win a national or even SEC title....just a division title would do for now.

Butch made the comment about being a national title contender in six or seven years, not a conference one.

If you feel like going around and around, I'm good with it. But don't make s### up. I don't waste my time with that

 

[Iam4utalways]

His largest telling point was the '15 season. The melt downs against Oklahoma, Fla, and Arkansas proved he is not a Div I coach. Last years total and complete meltdows against aTM, Vandy, and USCe backs that up. And in all those stupid and crazy sayings and he's just embarressing. Dude is waaay out of his league!

Then again, can VN imagine the meltdowns on this board had he won those games in '15 and no won the SEC last year and not been in playoff?

He is so conservative.

2016 second half of te Florida game. That's his high water mark.

String together about 40 halves like that half and we'll have his 1st NC.