Mike Griffith: "Butch Jones open to starting two Quarterbacks"

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ksgovols said:
Please. We've rarely made it through a season with one qb anyway. It's stupid not to have 2 capable qb's that are capable of running the offense.
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True, Dobbs was the exception in terms of durability!
Remember he only become starter after 3 QB's went down!! :yikes:


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This kind of has the same feel as Shaffer(sp?) and Ainge. I believe UT went 9-2 in the regular season and played for and SEC championship that year.
 
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Rocky_Top_Vol13 said:
This kind of has the same feel as Schaeffer and Ainge. I believe UT went 9-2 in the regular season and played for and SEC championship that year.
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Ended with two season ending injuries and Rick Clausen as the starter. :pinch:
 
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jakez4ut said:
there is no way they want to go in to this season w/2 qb's. with as much transition as this team is going to face this year, having indecision at the QB spot would be detrimental, and mean that probably neither one did enough to get more meaningful reps.

competition...yes. possibly prevent a transfer....probably so. be prepared to, so you have a plan b, yeah, makes sense.

as a bonafide strategy for success....no.
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Having good competition at QB and running a two qb system isn't near a big deal as some think. Probably not ideal but it'll be ok.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'd be more worried about the situation if it were August instead of March.
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BINGO!
Not sure what the big deal is. QB's competing until kickoff. Its normal. I'd be more concerned if there was such a talent gap that one was already tabbed the starter. Would mean we would be in trouble if one was injured. I want a close race and or both to see time under right circumstances.
 
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tennrich1 said:
Having good competition at QB and running a two qb system isn't near a big deal as some think. Probably not ideal but it'll be ok.
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2004 season was going pretty well until Ainge got hurt. Playing 2 frosh qb's worked pretty well. Ainge was the better one but Schaeffer got meaningful reps and made difference at times.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
2004 season was going pretty well until Ainge got hurt. Playing 2 frosh qb's worked pretty well. Ainge was the better one but Schaeffer got meaningful reps and made difference at times.
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Schaeffer was pretty much phased out by the Florida game. Ainge locked it up until halftime of the Notre Dame game. :pinch:
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh. there's so many angles you could take with this. does he want to limit the opportunity for Dormady to transfer? probably, so why name a starter before you have to.

does he want competition at qb this off season? yep, sure does.

i don't have any doubt in my mind though, that he'd much prefer, whether he names a starter coming out of spring or not, that one of the separate themselves from the other. and even if one does, i still don't think you'll hear much on it until the end of fall camp.

plus with ?'s at RB (at least after Kelly), WR (after Jennings) and who knows what will happen with what should be a much improved O Line....there's little to gain by naming one early. they'll want to stretch it as long as they can and see how much chemistry can be built, and how the whole offense performs....there's going to be a lot of personnel decisions to be made that will directly affect which QB will be most successful.

that said, it'll be interesting to see, when all is said and done after Spring and Fall camps, who winds up with the most reps with the 1's. even w/out anything public being said about who it is, ultimately, you'll be able to garner some level of confidence in who it is just by paying attention to that.
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Stopped reading after first question. You answered yourself.
 
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goldvol said:
wow, creating a qb controversy out of nothing here. Let's wait til we actually have some practices before we begin with the quarterback controversy. I remember guys early in the season last year at games saying "put in Dormady" and "Dormady should be in instead of Dobbs". There will be plenty of time for the coach to make the best decision for the team. Pretty sure Butch wants to succeed and keep his job. :pilot:
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Off season.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
BINGO!
Not sure what the big deal is. QB's competing until kickoff. Its normal. I'd be more concerned if there was such a talent gap that one was already tabbed the starter. Would mean we would be in trouble if one was injured. I want a close race and or both to see time under right circumstances.
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I think Butch knows that he's going to have to see how much improvement Wells can get out of the oline before he can make a decision on the starter. It will probably be the end of summer practice before there's a clear front runner unless one of them just kills it in spring practice.
 
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This is a good problem to have. It will only make the QB's on the roster compete harder. I'm sure Jones wont announce a starter till kick off because of fear one of them could transfer. Which is smart. We need both QD and JG next season. Both are very capable to lead Team 121.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
So tired of hearing this argument. Just because he is white doesnt mean he is a statue like JW.
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The point is ....

It doesn't matter if he can run or not.

That's CBJ's system. If he'll run the ZR with Worley, he'll run it with anybody.

Sorry you didn't get it. Maybe 4 more years?
 
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butchna said:
Schaeffer was pretty much phased out by the Florida game. Ainge locked it up until halftime of the Notre Dame game. :pinch:
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Correct. He had an impact though and it did work, at least for some of the season. Schaeffer got hurt in SC game so he didn't get more time to show anything that year. My memory is foggy, I forgot about his injury.
 
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Doberman said:
The point is ....

It doesn't matter if he can run or not.

That's CBJ's system. If he'll run the ZR with Worley, he'll run it with anybody.

Sorry you didn't get it. Maybe 4 more years?
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Scott has already said they would adjust the offense to the strength of the QB.

But you're right. Will they?
 
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VolsnRavens said:
https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-starting-qb-jarrett-guarantano-quinten-dormady

"A source with knowledge of the competition said coach Butch Jones doesn’t have a timeline on choosing Tennessee’s starting quarterback.

Jones, the source said, is willing to enter next season playing two quarterbacks if one doesn’t separate this spring or in fall drills.


:popcorn:
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I hope one does separate. I am not a big fan of trying to tailor a scheme(s) for 2 QBs, especially with Scott just taking the OC job here, and being unproven as well.

Most everyone thought last year was make or break, but it wasn't. This year? Yeah, even the most extreme sunshine pumpers can't polish that smudge out. He needs to be decisive, and the decisions he makes need to be the right ones. Especially the ones he makes behind a microphone.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the same has happened now with zone read offenses that guys like Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, and Tim Tebow made look unstoppable.
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Nowadays there are no pocket QBs running "unstoppable offenses" in college football. The high octane offenses all have very mobile QBs who can gain you 100 yards on the ground if that's what the defense is giving you that day
 
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Sea Ray said:
Nowadays there are no pocket QBs running "unstoppable offenses" in college football. The high octane offenses all have very mobile QBs who can gain you 100 yards on the ground if that's what the defense is giving you that day
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agreed, there's been a definite shift in that direction, and i don't think there's really any in the SEC that running a true pro style offense anymore?

but even since the Tebow ZR florida teams, that scheme has been modified and mixed with parts of pro style offenses, that do still rely on power runs and a drop back passer.

the defense have adjusted to the "read" part of ZR, and even, to a certain extent, to the O of the RPO's.....

you look at the offense the carolina Panthers run, and the offense Tennessee runs, and you're going to see a lot of similarity. there's power run, QB run, ZR, drop back, shot gun, pistol, sweep action....all kinds of stuff going on. and most of it is pre snap stuff just keep the defense thinking up to the last second.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed, there's been a definite shift in that direction, and i don't think there's really any in the SEC that running a true pro style offense anymore?

but even since the Tebow ZR florida teams, that scheme has been modified and mixed with parts of pro style offenses, that do still rely on power runs and a drop back passer.

the defense have adjusted to the "read" part of ZR, and even, to a certain extent, to the O of the RPO's.....

you look at the offense the carolina Panthers run, and the offense Tennessee runs, and you're going to see a lot of similarity. there's power run, QB run, ZR, drop back, shot gun, pistol, sweep action....all kinds of stuff going on. and most of it is pre snap stuff just keep the defense thinking up to the last second.
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I agree. So the question is, can QD run the ZR?
 
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Sea Ray said:
I agree. So the question is, can QD run the ZR?
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sure. if they actually allow the "read" part to play a role.

i don't think he'll set any records or anything, but in a down and distance situation where it makes sense, yeah, of course he can. he's not Dan Marino athletically mind you. he's just not Josh Dobbs either, and that's ok. he doesn't have to be, if the offense can simply be executed.
 
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but if they just run the QB after the hand off to give the defense the look of the action, then at some point it just becomes predictable, and not effective. it's no different htan a dive play at that point, and if you're going to do that, give me a full back with a side of a fries.

we did it both Worley, and even in garbage time with QD, the same action, it's like a fake zone read. which is dumb.
 
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I always assumed Mike Debord was the one who didn't want to play two quarterbacks.I think he based that off of playing Tom Brady and Drew Henson at Michigan. There were times the last two years we could have won if Dormady had played when Dobbs was inconsistent. Arkansas and South Carolina come to mind.
 
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