Mike Griffith: "Butch Jones open to starting two Quarterbacks"

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not sure what there is to gain from comparing HS stats from a kid in NJ to a kid in TX...most likely an apples to oranges comparison, and a debate than can never have any definitive merits, given what they'll be asked to do at this point.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well if you believe what he's said, the kid is a helluva competitor and doesn't shy away from it. it's not like he lacks confidence.

at this point, in my mind, if JG doesn't at the very least turn out to be a very good SEC qb, then i'd say it's a bit of a disappointment.

long story short, if his work ethic matches the "bravado", then he should be very good, at some point.
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I look forward to seeing him on the field. He profiles as an ideal college QB. QD looks like a prototypical NFL QB. If the Vols go for the college guy where does that leave QD? There is a difference in the games. For example as a UT fan I'd rather have Heath Shuler as my QB than Peyton. Mich preferred Drew Henson over Tom Brady. To me the prototypical college QB is Vince Young or Cam Newton. The prototypical pro QB is Tom Brady, Peyton or Dan Marino. Different games
 
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This is a total non-story. Any team that does not have an established QB coming in will not name a starter before spring practice and usually it doesn't get decided until the last of fall practice. This is not a ploy to keep somebody from transferring its just the only way to do things.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I look forward to seeing him on the field. He profiles as an ideal college QB. QD looks like a prototypical NFL QB. If the Vols go for the college guy where does that leave QD? There is a difference in the games. For example as a UT fan I'd rather have Heath Shuler as my QB than Peyton. Mich preferred Drew Henson over Tom Brady. To me the prototypical college QB is Vince Young or Cam Newton. The prototypical pro QB is Tom Brady, Peyton or Dan Marino. Different games
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scheme and personnel dictate. it's not like we weren't successful with Shuler, Manning, Kelly, Dobbs, Ainge, Clause etc....

it generally comes down to preference and ways you believe to be best to combat the types of defenses you will wee most often.

some of the advantage has been taken away with how substitutions are allowed on defense now, and defenses adjust over time with different schemes and personnel adjustments. so it has to be evolving and fluid.

rarely does it change overnight. Spurrier was able to do that back in the day because almost all defenses in the SEC were big, bulky designed to stop power run games, and provide run support and rush the passers in passing situations.

he put the league on it's ear with the fun n gun, and no one had the speed to match up, until they did.

the same has happened now with zone read offenses that guys like Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, and Tim Tebow made look unstoppable.
 
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wtorange said:
This is a total non-story. Any team that does not have an established QB coming in will not name a starter before spring practice and usually it doesn't get decided until the last of fall practice. This is not a ploy to keep somebody from transferring its just the only way to do things.
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i don't think that's the purpose behind it either. but you can't deny it's a happy little by-product, either.
 
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jakez4ut said:
neither one of them bring the total package of athleticism that Dobbs possessed.

i don't expect either one to be as good as he was at handling broken down plays. JG may have a bit more of that athleticism than QD, but i would expect a RS freshman and QD to both take more sacks than Dobbs did, IF the o line play is = to the last two years.

both, by all accounts can make the passing game better, and both possess enough athleticism where they can still run RPO's and ZR plays to execute the offense as designed.

the difference we'll all see, most likely, is when plays break down and we don't necessarily get the WOW plays Dobbs provided. but if the O LINE is better, then that can help negate that....after all, that's what would be best....it's not a great attribute that one of your best weapons was a QB that could take advantage of plays that break down in front of him. not exactly something you can rely on, with just any QB.

Dobbs was the perfect QB at the perfect time considering the state of the O line at the same time.

now we need the O line to step up and be what we think they can be, and see which one of these guys can actually run the offense the best.
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If our QB is not a threat when they keep it, we can't run the option. Drop back and power run game would be the way to go.

It's my understanding that of the 2 JG has the skill set to run the option and they both have the skill set to run a drop back offense but like you said, our Oline may have more to do with it than either QB.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
If our QB is not a threat when they keep it, we can't run the option. Drop back and power run game would be the way to go.

It's my understanding that of the 2 JG has the skill set to run the option and they both have the skill set to run a drop back offense but like you said, our Oline may have more to do with it than either QB.
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Tell that to Justin Worley.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
If our QB is not a threat when they keep it, we can't run the option. Drop back and power run game would be the way to go.

It's my understanding that of the 2 JG has the skill set to run the option and they both have the skill set to run a drop back offense but like you said, our Oline may have more to do with it than either QB.
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you're making the assumption that either they won't keep it, or they won't call it.

i agree, that if we call the ZR, and hand off and don't actually execute the "read" part of it, then what's the point? there were times last year, i thought the same thing. like it was designed to be handed off, but "look" like a ZR, but in reality, if we were "reading", Dobbs should have kept it more often. the point of the play, after all, is to make a read, to get the best match up.

like i said, i don't expect either one to show the type of athleticism Dobbs did. my gut says JG is closer to that than QD, but both of them have "enough" to execute the offense, as it's designed.

but i don't think we'll be ooohing and awing at 30+ qb runs like we did with Dobbs at times, in either case.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I look forward to seeing him on the field. He profiles as an ideal college QB. QD looks like a prototypical NFL QB. If the Vols go for the college guy where does that leave QD? There is a difference in the games. For example as a UT fan I'd rather have Heath Shuler as my QB than Peyton. Mich preferred Drew Henson over Tom Brady. To me the prototypical college QB is Vince Young or Cam Newton. The prototypical pro QB is Tom Brady, Peyton or Dan Marino. Different games
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Heresy!
 
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VolsnRavens said:
I'm not sure how I feel about this. It could spell the end of the Butch Jones era if it doesn't work out. So I really hope he's not doing it to appease the QB's.
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So Alabama goes into 2016 season with two potential QB's and everything is just fine. Tennessee does that and it is the end of the world?
 
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I wish I could say I'm optimistic that Jones will make the right decision regarding our QB situation, but after the way he totally botched the handling of Hurd/Kamara, it's hard to be. We will see.
 
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Can either one hit a standing receiver ten yards in front of em'? If neither can, which one can run better?
 
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This really isn't that big of a deal.. we don't have a legit starter yet. Let them battle it out in spring. We will have our QB after spring.. if JG wants the job he's gonna have to go balls to the wall during spring practice to prove he earned his spot.. Its QD's spot if the season started now (he's older/consistent back up)
But lets see how the spring turns out
 
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RockyTopTexas said:
This really isn't that big of a deal.. we don't have a legit starter yet. Let them battle it out in spring. We will have our QB after spring.. if JG wants the job he's gonna have to go balls to the wall during spring practice to prove he earned his spot.. Its QD's spot if the season started now (he's older/consistent back up)
But lets see how the spring turns out
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This goes into Fall camp.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Can either one hit a standing receiver ten yards in front of em'? If neither can, which one can run better?
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I haven't seen JG's passing game first hand but everything I've heard since day one says they are BOTH exceptional passers, and he may in fact (if he wants to be a good pro) be more of a passing QB then a running guy.
 
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Please. We've rarely made it through a season with one qb anyway. It's stupid not to have 2 capable qb's that are capable of running the offense.
 
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