Azzanni Departing to NFL

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BeardedVol said:
Saban being a defensive guy, just mean he takes a more hands on approach with the defense, but make no mistake, his OCs are still running his offense, and not something that they cook up themselves.

I think your're over-complicating the scenario.

Saban-6 different OCs, same offensive system, consistently high level of success

Butch-2 different OCs, same offensive system, inconsistent moderate level of success.

A better comparison can be made after we see how successful Scott is at running CBJ's system in 2017, and possibly beyond, but right now, there's just no comparing them in any fashion other than the fact that both coaches insist on their own system being implemented, regardless of who they hire as OC.
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I'm not real sure Saban has run the exact same system on offense.

Pre-Kiffin, it was more of a traditional pro-style since their type of QB dictated that, but with Sims and Hurts they ran a different style of offense with spread principles and lots of RPO plays.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not "trying". The girl that breaks up with a guy telling him she's not ready to be serious who then gets engaged to the next guy within a few months... wasn't "trying" to say anything about the first guy.

How do you think it was? Do you think Azzanni did a bang up job at UT... or even UF according to some of their fans here? Was the talent overrated that badly? Was it the scheme?

The passing game hasn't been great at UT under Jones and Azzanni. The Bears at least seem to be showing that they don't think it is because of Azzanni.
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i just don't think the Bears are making it a referendum on UT's program in any form or fashion by making the hire.

personally, i think the Bears are a fairly inept organization, that will likely be looking for a new staff in the winter/spring of 2018.

basically i think it says more about what options the bears had/have, than anything it does about UT.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Saban being a defensive guy, just mean he takes a more hands on approach with the defense, but make no mistake, his OCs are still running his offense, and not something that they cook up themselves.

I think your're over-complicating the scenario.

Saban-6 different OCs, same offensive system, consistently high level of success

Butch-2 different OCs, same offensive system, inconsistent moderate level of success.

A better comparison can be made after we see how successful Scott is at running CBJ's system in 2017, and possibly beyond, but right now, there's just no comparing them in any fashion other than the fact that both coaches insist on their own system being implemented, regardless of who they hire as OC.
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i don't know how else to explain this.:no:

Jones=offensive guy, hires offensive coaches for fit, comfort, scheme. he hires defensive coaches with less discretion to comfort, fit, scheme.. ie hires shoop and let's him run it.

Saban=defensive guy, hires defensive coaches for fit, comfort, scheme. he hires offensive coaches with less discretion to comfort, fit, scheme...ie hires Kiffin and let's him run it.

Saban doesn't have "an offense". just like Jones doesn't have "a defense".
 
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05_never_again said:
I will say that Scott is a much better hire than Azzanni, who was also in the running for OC allegedly. The fact that Azzanni was in the running for the OC job looks really off now, considering they ended up not even renewing his contract to be a position coach.

Scott is still highly inexperienced at being an OC and it is not a bold statement to think that there might have been better external candidates, but I'm not sure they were even considered by Butch.
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this has nothing to do with the original point of the conversation.

but yes, i agree, there were better candidates for OC than Scott or Azzani imo.
 
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This is not possible! He is terrible and teaches receivers to lay down on the field during the games. It is almost comical how little football knowledge many of you possess.
 
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secking said:
#s say he was, he got North, Williams, and Malone. Who do you think is the best guy? I will say Azzani has the rep of being a good recruiter, I just looked at the staff again. I'd give that title to Larry Scott as well. Maybe Shoop?

First phone call should be to Dameyune Craig, homerun hire, would be best recruiter on staff. No?
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North's main recruiter was Graham and the reason North stuck with UT
 
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KBVol said:
Haha. Different conversation but I get your point. My guess early on is that TJ Weist is the leader in the clubhouse.
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Hell I hope not.


I'm sure he's a great guy and all but if we're to keep up with the Jones' we need to be filled with Ace coaches and recruiters.
 
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butchna said:
Thig,Gillespie from the original staff. Scott and Hoke from the current.

I don't think you hire Craig SOLELY for recruiting...no.
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Craig can't develop receivers either

We need a good recruiter but someone who can really develop a receiver and teach how to properly run a route
 
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How quick will we get a WR coach? Azzani must have told Butch he would leave the second he was offered a job.

Why do I get the feeling that we actually won't have an WR coach.

We go through years without a seasoned QB coach and finally get one specifically... just to get rid of the WR coach. ugh..
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm not real sure Saban has run the exact same system on offense.

Pre-Kiffin, it was more of a traditional pro-style since their type of QB dictated that, but with Sims and Hurts they ran a different style of offense with spread principles and lots of RPO plays.
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Kiffin definitely did try to deviate from Saban's offense, but when it didn't work, Saban chewed him out and they fell back onto Saban's system that worked. It happened several times during Kiffin's time as OC
 
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volfannbama said:
Even using it as a way to prop up CBJ as a good developer of coaches.

For the record, I don't thing this has anything to do with CBJ. ZA wanted the OC job and didn't get it, id leave too.
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No, it just continues to show that you and your marry band of idiots are just that. After all, Azzani couldn't coach a receiver if we had a roster full of Hall of Fame players according to most of you. If I were you or posters like you, I would stop giving my opinion on someone's coaching ability.
 
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Dougie_D said:
How quick will we get a WR coach? Azzani must have told Butch he would leave the second he was offered a job.

Why do I get the feeling that we actually won't have an WR coach.

We go through years without a seasoned QB coach and finally get one specifically... just to get rid of the WR coach. ugh..
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Supposedly this was not lingering. ZA got the call from the Bears and naturally jumped at the opportunity for the NFL within a day.

Jones said they would like to get the position filled as quickly as possible but that they would make sure the process was done completely.
 
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Dougie_D said:
How quick will we get a WR coach? Azzani must have told Butch he would leave the second he was offered a job.

Why do I get the feeling that we actually won't have an WR coach.

We go through years without a seasoned QB coach and finally get one specifically... just to get rid of the WR coach. ugh..
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We will get one may not be the guy people want but we'll get one
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kiffin definitely did try to deviate from Saban's offense, but when it didn't work, Saban chewed him out and they fell back onto Saban's system that worked. It happened several times during Kiffin's time as OC
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no saban would step in when Kiffin got too cute. Saban did what most head coaches would do...

it's a misnomer to think Saban has an offensive system, like chip kelly or mike leach, they have a system.

philosophy, yes. system, no.
 
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butchna said:
Thig,Gillespie from the original staff. Scott and Hoke from the current.

I don't think you hire Craig SOLELY for recruiting...no.
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He did well at AU with WR, when they had opportunities with a run heavy offense and bad QBs.

Da Bears hired Brandon Staley away from UTC's Tom Arth, offered Z a big offer supposedly.
 
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