Azzanni Departing to NFL

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ptcarter said:
Substitute "Nick Saban" for CBJ in the above arguments and see if it still sounds condescending. Isn't that what head coaches are supposed to do?
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Nick Saban has gone through what 6(?) OCs since he's been at Alabama, and pretty much won the SEC with all but Applewhite. I don't think we can say the same thing for CBJ; the comparison is apples to bowling balls.
 
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ptcarter said:
Substitute "Nick Saban" for CBJ in the above arguments and see if it still sounds condescending. Isn't that what head coaches are supposed to do?
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The argument kind of falls apart when you say "substitute Nick Saban for CBJ" because you cannot do that realistically in any context.

Saban clearly has some things figured out, with 4 national titles in 10 years at his current job and one at another school before that. He's done it largely on the strength of his defense. If you were his DC and he tells you what to do, you kind of have to shrug your shoulders and say "well, alright." And on offense, to say Saban has been open minded about who runs it is a huge understatement. He deserves huge props for his OC hires over the years.

Let's be generous and say that Butch hasn't quite buttoned up his offense to the same level Saban has buttoned up his defense.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
But wouldn't you agree the writing was on the wall here? If not now it would have happened nxt off season
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No, Butch was going to lose Azzani or Scott depending on who got the OC job.

If Azzani would be such a great OC why didn't another team offer him the position. They guy can recruit but that's where it ends.
 
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discontent523 said:
Wylo, I don't always agree with you but with thus being the 7th new assistant and possibly and 8th after the NCAA vote in April, you do have to have some concern about cohesion and buy in with this much turnover.
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No. This turnover of nearly the entire staff buys Butch a chance to roam Neyland's sidelines in 2018. The caveat would be 8+ losses in 2017.
 
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05_never_again said:
Not sure DeBord had a problem with it. After all, he was basically retired and out of coaching until Butch called him. Depends on the guy.
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so? it's still an assumption you're making. what about Scott then? by all accounts he's a young up and comer in the coaching ranks...you think he'd jeopardize the rest of his career to be CBJ's lackey?

we've gone from "he only hires buddies" to "he only hires yes men that will do only what CBJ tells them to".

charger is right. it's become a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
No, Butch was going to lose Azzani or Scott depending on who got the OC job.

If Azzani would be such a great OC why didn't another team offer him the position. They guy can recruit but that's where it ends.
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that's exactly what I meant

Whichever way he went the writing was on the wall for either guy
 
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BeardedVol said:
Nick Saban has gone through what 6(?) OCs since he's been at Alabama, and pretty much won the SEC with all but Applewhite. I don't think we can say the same thing for CBJ; the comparison is apples to bowling balls.
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the results are, not the process of how they hire. there are actually some similarities in how they hire, based on their gravity to one side of the ball or the other...Saban gravitates to defense, and hires like minded....more willingness to get out of his comfort zone offensively. Jones, gravitates more to offense, and hires accordingly, and more willingness to get out of his comfort zone defensively.

so, yeah, the results are not comparable, and they probably won't ever be mind you, but the processes they tend to follow are actually very comparable.
 
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butchna said:
There were two camps on Azzani on this board. 1. Worst WR coach ever and the reason 5 star WRs wouldn't sign here.
2. Not that bad, good recruiter and the unit improved this year.

Now why did you get your flamethrower out of hock again? :)
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No flames, my friend. Just an acknowledgement of all the back peddling I'm seeing. Everyone is quick to say Tennessee is better off or give reasons it's a good move.

Just observations, buddy. I am glad he's gone. Still need a few more of the original BSiA to get lost, but I digress...
 
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jakez4ut said:
the results are, not the process of how they hire. there are actually some similarities in how they hire, based on their gravity to one side of the ball or the other...Saban gravitates to defense, and hires like minded....more willingness to get out of his comfort zone offensively. Jones, gravitates more to offense, and hires accordingly, and more willingness to get out of his comfort zone defensively.

so, yeah, the results are not comparable, and they probably won't ever be mind you, but the processes they tend to follow are actually very comparable.
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And you nailed it.
The myth is Jones is doing something new or radical. Lots of coaches do it.
Posters are just trying to give you a catch-22.
If you use a really good head coach, they say you can't because he's really good. If you use someone with Jones success rate or below, then they say "and see how horrible it is".

But most do it and it's far from new or even necessarily a negative.
 
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So... The Bears seem to think that UT's failures in the passing game and specifically with the WR's were not related to Azzanni?

That's very interesting.
 
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sjt18 said:
So... The Bears seem to think that UT's failures in the passing game and specifically with the WR's were not related to Azzanni?

That's very interesting.
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well that's one way to look at it. i don't think that's how it was however...but certainly, if you look at the tea leaves a certain way, you could extrapolate that was the inference the Chicago Bears were trying to make about our program.:eek:lol:
 
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sjt18 said:
So... The Bears seem to think that UT's failures in the passing game and specifically with the WR's were not related to Azzanni?

That's very interesting.
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I don't know how much stock to put into it. I mean it's the Bears.
They haven't exactly been setting the standard for good choices lately.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the results are, not the process of how they hire. there are actually some similarities in how they hire, based on their gravity to one side of the ball or the other...Saban gravitates to defense, and hires like minded....more willingness to get out of his comfort zone offensively. Jones, gravitates more to offense, and hires accordingly, and more willingness to get out of his comfort zone defensively.

so, yeah, the results are not comparable, and they probably won't ever be mind you, but the processes they tend to follow are actually very comparable.
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That's the point Saban is a "defense guy", but when he's rolling through all of these different OCs they aren't coming in and implementing new systems, they are running Saban's offense, and that's evident in the consistency that we've seen in spite of having so many different people fill that roll in a short period of time.

So no, it's not a very good comparison since we have not seen Butch's system work in spite of who is running the offense.

Debord and Bajakian both ran Butch's system, with wildly varying results. I know different personnel, QB, oline etc, but that's part of why it's still a poor comparison. With Scott taking the reigns, we're going to get a better picture with relatively consistent levels of talent to work with that Deboard had as well.
 
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chargervol said:
And you nailed it.
The myth is Jones is doing something new or radical. Lots of coaches do it.
Posters are just trying to give you a catch-22.
If you use a really good head coach, they say you can't because he's really good. If you use someone with Jones success rate or below, then they say "and see how horrible it is".

But most do it and it's far from new or even necessarily a negative.
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yeah, for me it all comes back to whether or not CBJ has figured out how to make the correct hires.

bashing this guy or that guy, really doesn't matter. all the hand wringing over buddies, lackeys etc....we're just making stuff up at this point.

if they suck, then we know what happens, and i'd be holding the door for them on the way out.

if they're great, then isn't that....um....great?
 
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jakez4ut said:
:blink: surely you can't be serious. i have reservations about some of the hiring processes, and the hires themselves, but there's no way that's true, not even just a little bit.
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I agree with you most of the time but I think Jones has kept a pretty tight reign on the O. It is his scheme being run his way. Most HC's seem to get heavily involved in critical play calls. I doubt anyone here knows how CBJ handles that but there seems to have been some commonality between his two OC's in those situations.
 
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At one time UT we were wide receiver U, and now with Dooley and Azzanni, we are wide receiver coach U.
 
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sjt18 said:
So... The Bears seem to think that UT's failures in the passing game and specifically with the WR's were not related to Azzanni?

That's very interesting.
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Would that count as an endorsement for ZA?

Many act like the Bears don't know what they are doing. I'm not familiar with their staff either.
 
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