Azzanni Departing to NFL

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butchna said:
Azzani wasn't our best recruiter. Azzani wasn't our SECOND best recruiter. Azzani wasn't...
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#s say he was, he got North, Williams, and Malone. Who do you think is the best guy? I will say Azzani has the rep of being a good recruiter, I just looked at the staff again. I'd give that title to Larry Scott as well. Maybe Shoop?

First phone call should be to Dameyune Craig, homerun hire, would be best recruiter on staff. No?
 
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secking said:
#s say he was, he got North, Williams, and Malone. Who do you think is the best guy? I will say Azzani has the rep of being a good recruiter, I just looked at the staff again. I'd give that title to Larry Scott as well. Maybe Shoop?

First phone call should be to Dameyune Craig, homerun hire, would be best recruiter on staff. No?
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1st call is always to PM. He is on the hiring committee.
 
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BeardedVol said:
That's the point Saban is a "defense guy", but when he's rolling through all of these different OCs they aren't coming in and implementing new systems, they are running Saban's offense, and that's evident in the consistency that we've seen in spite of having so many different people fill that roll in a short period of time.

So no, it's not a very good comparison since we have not seen Butch's system work in spite of who is running the offense.

Debord and Bajakian both ran Butch's system, with wildly varying results. I know different personnel, QB, oline etc, but that's part of why it's still a poor comparison. With Scott taking the reigns, we're going to get a better picture with relatively consistent levels of talent to work with that Deboard had as well.
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i don't think you do get what i'm saying.

you go from "saban's a defensive guy, but they run HIS offense". which isn't really the case, no more so is it that "Jones is an offensive guy, and they run HIS defense."

you're hung up on the results, and that's fine, they are what they are and can't be argued.

but process wise, they both gravitate to what they know best, hire accordingly, and let the other side of the ball go with less discretion. to what degrees, and results, are simply the differences in the two men, not the processes.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well that's one way to look at it. i don't think that's how it was however...but certainly, if you look at the tea leaves a certain way, you could extrapolate that was the inference the Chicago Bears were trying to make about our program.:eek:lol:
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Not "trying". The girl that breaks up with a guy telling him she's not ready to be serious who then gets engaged to the next guy within a few months... wasn't "trying" to say anything about the first guy.

How do you think it was? Do you think Azzanni did a bang up job at UT... or even UF according to some of their fans here? Was the talent overrated that badly? Was it the scheme?

The passing game hasn't been great at UT under Jones and Azzanni. The Bears at least seem to be showing that they don't think it is because of Azzanni.
 
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Craig is the obvious homerun hire imo. Ace recruiter. Recruited Jameis to FSU. Has coached under Saban, Jimbo Fisher, and Les Miles. No brainer.
 
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The 1st thing I would do is adjust the ball throwing machines to throw ducks rather than a perfect spiral. After that hours and hours of pitch and catch with the QBs. Then I would teach them all how to read a defense the same way our QB does, maybe they would be on the same page on game day.

Release the Beast!
 
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jakez4ut said:
so? it's still an assumption you're making. what about Scott then? by all accounts he's a young up and comer in the coaching ranks...you think he'd jeopardize the rest of his career to be CBJ's lackey?

we've gone from "he only hires buddies" to "he only hires yes men that will do only what CBJ tells them to".

charger is right. it's become a self fulfilling prophecy.
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I will say that Scott is a much better hire than Azzanni, who was also in the running for OC allegedly. The fact that Azzanni was in the running for the OC job looks really off now, considering they ended up not even renewing his contract to be a position coach.

Scott is still highly inexperienced at being an OC and it is not a bold statement to think that there might have been better external candidates, but I'm not sure they were even considered by Butch.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Craig is the obvious homerun hire imo. Ace recruiter. Recruited Jameis to FSU. Has coached under Saban, Jimbo Fisher, and Les Miles. No brainer.
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That can be good or bad depending on how you look at it, and if he did recruit Jameis he was really bailed out by the fact Saban wouldn't let him play baseball and football at Alabama. If that hadn't occurred, he'd have been a Bammer easily.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Would that count as an endorsement for ZA?
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No. I seriously don't know how to take it. But you don't expect any NFL team to hire dud coaches... not even the Bears.

Many act like the Bears don't know what they are doing. I'm not familiar with their staff either.
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That's my confusion. I think CZA was leaving regardless after he didn't get OC. He needs a career move so that's OK. But I personally expected it to be to another P5 program.... maybe even as an OC at a lower level program. But he's really only had one WR produce to potential in 4 years... and it took that guy 3 years to get there.

The Bears choice would seem to suggest they don't think it was because of how he coached the WR's or operated as the passing game coordinator. If they're right, that doesn't reflect well on Jones and the rest of the O staff.
 
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I don't have as much dislike for as Azzanni as some here. But my opinion, the receivers did not do well on misdirecting defenders breaking free, diving for the ball or getting into open space consistently. That is definitely position coaching.

Malone had a good year but he should have had a couple of great years. Our most electric catches from last season were made by the guy who has spent the fewest time under ZA. And like I said, that's my opinion.
 
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Vols_74 said:
If this is the case then why would a NFL team hire him at same position. I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense. People don't get promoted for doing a lousy job in the real world.
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He basically got a one year NFL job. Looks like he had to take something as he was headed out of here. I was not impressed with his player development. I am guessing Butch has a replacement selected. Look for a good recruiter in north FL and/or Atlanta.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't think you do get what i'm saying.

you go from "saban's a defensive guy, but they run HIS offense". which isn't really the case, no more so is it that "Jones is an offensive guy, and they run HIS defense."

you're hung up on the results, and that's fine, they are what they are and can't be argued.

but process wise, they both gravitate to what they know best, hire accordingly, and let the other side of the ball go with less discretion. to what degrees, and results, are simply the differences in the two men, not the processes.
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Saban being a defensive guy, just mean he takes a more hands on approach with the defense, but make no mistake, his OCs are still running his offense, and not something that they cook up themselves.

I think your're over-complicating the scenario.

Saban-6 different OCs, same offensive system, consistently high level of success

Butch-2 different OCs, same offensive system, inconsistent moderate level of success.

A better comparison can be made after we see how successful Scott is at running CBJ's system in 2017, and possibly beyond, but right now, there's just no comparing them in any fashion other than the fact that both coaches insist on their own system being implemented, regardless of who they hire as OC.
 
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UTwick said:
At one time UT we were wide receiver U, and now with Dooley and Azzanni, we are wide receiver coach U.
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How hard is it to coach up Dez Bryant, Cole Beasley, Terrance Williams, and other established pros? I'm pretty sure that most of them have well developed skills prior to making the pros.
 
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secking said:
#s say he was, he got North, Williams, and Malone. Who do you think is the best guy? I will say Azzani has the rep of being a good recruiter, I just looked at the staff again. I'd give that title to Larry Scott as well. Maybe Shoop?

First phone call should be to Dameyune Craig, homerun hire, would be best recruiter on staff. No?
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Gillespie, Thigpen, Hoke, Scott, I believe, were/are all better than Azzani at recruiting. His recruiting appears to be average to above-average and his coaching ability appears to be subpar (going by WR production since he was hired). I understand that we are a run-first offense, but we've never had a WR crack 1,000 yards since he got here. Malone got close this year, but he is a 5* talent. I don't think Azzani got the most out of his group.
 
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sjt18 said:
I agree with you most of the time but I think Jones has kept a pretty tight reign on the O. It is his scheme being run his way. Most HC's seem to get heavily involved in critical play calls. I doubt anyone here knows how CBJ handles that but there seems to have been some commonality between his two OC's in those situations.
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well, i don't think he's taking a hands off approach mind you.

i just don't think it's so micro managed, and so controlling, that the word "lackey" (as one previously described) would be an accurate depiction of any coach on the O side of the ball.

comfortable. like minded. acquainted. or any other adjective that would fall in line here...yes.
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't see it as a widening of the net. The VN consensus appears to be that Butch doesn't necessarily hire the most qualified guy available; he hires people he can (or thinks he can) control.

This can take many forms - hiring personal friends of his (DeBord), hiring guys he has worked with before (Azzanni and Stripling), hiring guys without a lot of experience at their position (Scott) or hiring guys with a dearth of other opportunities (DeBord and Canales).
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90 percent of people are hired through personal contacts football or big business.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. I seriously don't know how to take it. But you don't expect any NFL team to hire dud coaches... not even the Bears.



That's my confusion. I think CZA was leaving regardless after he didn't get OC. He needs a career move so that's OK. But I personally expected it to be to another P5 program.... maybe even as an OC at a lower level program. But he's really only had one WR produce to potential in 4 years... and it took that guy 3 years to get there.

The Bears choice would seem to suggest they don't think it was because of how he coached the WR's or operated as the passing game coordinator. If they're right, that doesn't reflect well on Jones and the rest of the O staff.
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I'm not familiar with who all they talked to about the job, but he did get it, than speaks volumes.

The fact that Dooley holds the same position at Dallas speaks volumes too.

I wonder if it's more about the process than the results, the old lead a horse to water.

Good luck to him.

I'd like to see a VFL get the position.

Release the Beast!
 
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secking said:
Have to get a big time recruiter to replace him, TN's best recruiter just walked out the door. Everybody jumping ship, that's 5 now not counting support staff, right?

There is one BIG name that hasn't landed yet.
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I agree was shocked he was ranked 78th tho
 
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05_never_again said:
That can be good or bad depending on how you look at it, and if he did recruit Jameis he was really bailed out by the fact Saban wouldn't let him play baseball and football at Alabama. If that hadn't occurred, he'd have been a Bammer easily.
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Really? He won a Hesiman.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Its been around here since last season

I thought it was common knowledge that his contract wasn't going to be renewed. Its why all the talk of staff turnover
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I hear ya. I didn't know they didn't renew his contract......and I'm cautious about what I listen to on here lol
 
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secking said:
#s say he was, he got North, Williams, and Malone. Who do you think is the best guy? I will say Azzani has the rep of being a good recruiter, I just looked at the staff again. I'd give that title to Larry Scott as well. Maybe Shoop?

First phone call should be to Dameyune Craig, homerun hire, would be best recruiter on staff. No?
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Thig,Gillespie from the original staff. Scott and Hoke from the current.

I don't think you hire Craig SOLELY for recruiting...no.
 
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