Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

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VolunteerHillbilly said:
So BJ had to promote Scott to keep him from bolting, perhaps, because he's been our best recruiter even though we aren't having that great of a recruiting class in terms of quality compared to many prior classes. Makes about as much sense of some of the other decisions he's made.
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You're trying so hard man. Give it a rest.
 
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MockingVol said:
We have known Scott was going to be the OC since very early. There was no misleading with that.

The only reason Butch would hold off so long on naming Scott OC was because he was using the Co-OC tag to entice a different QB coach.

If you think that the announcements of O'Connell as the Redskins' QB coach and Scott/ Canales to the UT positions that happened within hours of each other had no connection, you are the the one that is kidding their self.
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Lol none of that proves that he was ever truly considering anybody besides Canales (the only guy he gave two interviews). Sure, MAYBE holding off on Scott let's him dangle that title to get a few guys to come in and interview.

Doesn't change that it was all a sham and he was always gonna hire Canales. If he truly had an open mind to someone else, he'd have interviewed a more varied field than 3 other guys with a combined 0 years of D1 coaching experience.

FTR, I don't think either are bad hires. Scott seems super competent and Canales has been an OC and should be at least decent focusing just in QBs.


I just think Butch has done himself no favors giving an earnest effort in the coaching search for both OC and QB coach.
 
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MockingVol said:
So you are saying that Butch created the appearance of wanting a different guy and timed his desired hirings with the announcement of that other guy, just to appease the fans? This also includes putting off the announcement of his OC (That we all knew was happening) for a while.

Instead of believing that Butch just missed on his first choice and thus immediately named his B option.

Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
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Lol "missed on his first choice." This is super, intentionally disingenuous. Or just an invention.

Canales was the only guy he interviewed twice. Nobody on 247 or VQ ever indicated that anybody other than Weinke or Canales were the favorite.


He never "created the appearance of wanting another guy" at all. He just padded the interviews with nothing but guys you can point to and say "eh, he's not clearly better than Canales" or "not sure if he'd fit in the SEC, or college ball for that matter."

If you can't connect the dots here, you must be drinking your own supply at McScrooges lol
 
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VolGee4 said:
To be fair, anyone's kidding themselves if they think they know how it played out. Goes for everyone.
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I agree with this, but I just feel like it's super obvious what was going down.

Not that I think the ultimate outcome was terrible or anything. I just think the there's more to gain from from an interview process with appropriate depth.
 
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FWIW, Gus is having similar issued at Barn. Just can't get quality assistants when you're on the hot seat. There's some known mercenaries out there for sure but you're probably going to overpay for someone who isn't going to bust their hump too hard for a one-season gig. I will not be surprised if the Briles don't make their way to the plains after signing day if things continue to drag one, which might be the best thing that could happen for them.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The word is that Scott was going to leave if he was passed over.
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VN's word? The most logical reason for hiring Scott to be the TE's coach under an OC with a contract ending in a year was to acclimate him to the system before he was made OC. I've expected Scott to be the next OC for a year, considering his promising trajectory since becoming an FBS coach in 06, and the trust Miami put in him to be the interim HC, which he did well at. So yeah, if Butch didn't hire him he probably would have left but that would have meant that HCBJ had found a much better alternative.
 
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Where are people hearing Scott would've bolted if he didn't get the job?


I've been critical of the way Butch conducted the coaching search for the past two moves, but I doubt he let a TE coach (albeit one with a promising future ahead of him) hold him hostage on the OC move lol

I think it's far more likely that just felt Scott was as good a candidate as anyone to run his scheme. I agree with vol-uh-tile in saying Scott becoming OC or Co-OC down the road was probably part of the sales pitch in bringing him to TN in the first place.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Lol "missed on his first choice." This is super, intentionally disingenuous. Or just an invention.

Canales was the only guy he interviewed twice. Nobody on 247 or VQ ever indicated that anybody other than Weinke or Canales were the favorite.


He never "created the appearance of wanting another guy" at all. He just padded the interviews with nothing but guys you can point to and say "eh, he's not clearly better than Canales" or "not sure if he'd fit in the SEC, or college ball for that matter."

If you can't connect the dots here, you must be drinking your own supply at McScrooges lol
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Not drinking my own supply, just didn't decide on the narrative I was going to force a couple weeks ago.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Well there's one way you and Butch differ lol
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Yeah... I've come to the realization that there is no point in discussing this with you.

You are 100% set in your beliefs and no amount of facts or straight forward theory/ logic could do anything to dissuade you. You have attached yourself to the fact that we know Canales got two interviews while ignoring any other relevant info from the search and refusing to acknowledge that-- as usual-- what we know of the search is extremely limited.

Best to just assert Butch is two-faced when our info is lacking.
 
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VOL-uh-tile said:
VN's word? The most logical reason for hiring Scott to be the TE's coach under an OC with a contract ending in a year was to acclimate him to the system before he was made OC. I've expected Scott to be the next OC for a year, considering his promising trajectory since becoming an FBS coach in 06, and the trust Miami put in him to be the interim HC, which he did well at. So yeah, if Butch didn't hire him he probably would have left but that would have meant that HCBJ had found a much better alternative.
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I think the last sentence is where some of us are having trouble. Kansas was able to hire Meacham and Scott was the best BJ could find? Personally, I believe that this is likely BJ's last season here and the hire makes sense to me because nobody wants to jump on the sinking ship; however, I'm constantly barraged with posts that emphatically declare that BJ is not on the hot seat and will be here indefinitely, which, if true, I would expect to be a situation that lends to making some splash hires.
 
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MockingVol said:
Yeah... I've come to the realization that there is no point in discussing this with you.

You are 100% set in your beliefs and no amount of facts or straight forward theory/ logic could do anything to dissuade you. You have attached yourself to the fact that we know Canales got two interviews while ignoring any other relevant info from the search and refusing to acknowledge that-- as usual-- what we know of the search is extremely limited.

Best to just assert Butch is two-faced when our info is lacking.
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Or maybe, just maybe, I've looked at the facts and just happened to come to a different conclusion than you. Maybe we just st have different perspectives, for whatever reason (be it personality, negative or positive biases, or general outlook on life).


You've definitely read too much or too little into things and jumped to your own conclusions as well. Like, for example, assuming that the only reason to wait and announce Scott as OC is to try and use the Co-OC title to attract another coach. When everybody and their mama knows that Vol fans would've reacted with a HUGE backlash to his hiring without a couple weeks to let it digest.

I've admitted in earlier posts that we've no way of knowing for sure. But I'm not going to go so far as to say anybody who disagrees with me is unwilling to examine the facts or use logic.


It's probably best just to leave it that we've both examined the facts and drawn different conclusions. I'm not going to make any assumptions about your willingness or unwillingness to change your beliefs because of that.
 
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MockingVol said:
Yeah... I've come to the realization that there is no point in discussing this with you.

You are 100% set in your beliefs and no amount of facts or straight forward theory/ logic could do anything to dissuade you. You have attached yourself to the fact that we know Canales got two interviews while ignoring any other relevant info from the search and refusing to acknowledge that-- as usual-- what we know of the search is extremely limited.

Best to just assert Butch is two-faced when our info is lacking.
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It is nauseating. So are his overreacting responses and crass remarks. I don't ignore him because it is fun watching the tantrums.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think the last sentence is where some of us are having trouble. Kansas was able to hire Meacham and Scott was the best BJ could find? Personally, I believe that this is likely BJ's last season here and the hire makes sense to me because nobody wants to jump on the sinking ship; however, I'm constantly barraged with posts that emphatically declare that BJ is not on the hot seat and will be here indefinitely, which, if true, I would expect to be a situation that lends to making some splash hires.
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It signing day yet or do we still have 10 days of this to read?
 
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glichtenwalter said:
Canales has like three decades as a coach and probably 2/3 of that as a QB coach. He has several AA, several All conference, and Philp Rivers on his resume. Plus he has worked with our new OC CLS so the staff should have good chemistry. What more do you want?
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A coach that knows how to recruit winning players and what a winning program looks like. Winning matters and he hasn't won.
 
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BruinVol said:
A coach that knows how to recruit winning players and what a winning program looks like. Winning matters and he hasn't won.
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He's just a QB coach. We didn't go out and hire a splash name to help us in recruiting, that's for sure. But hopefully he can develop quarterbacks. I would have rather had Weinke for sure, but if Canales can develop our quarterbacks that's all that matters right now. We'll see if he can
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Where are people hearing Scott would've bolted if he didn't get the job?


I've been critical of the way Butch conducted the coaching search for the past two moves, but I doubt he let a TE coach (albeit one with a promising future ahead of him) hold him hostage on the OC move lol

I think it's far more likely that just felt Scott was as good a candidate as anyone to run his scheme. I agree with vol-uh-tile in saying Scott becoming OC or Co-OC down the road was probably part of the sales pitch in bringing him to TN in the first place.
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Same place they are hearing the BS you spew. Just a bunch of opinions.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I agree with this, but I just feel like it's super obvious what was going down.

Not that I think the ultimate outcome was terrible or anything. I just think the there's more to gain from from an interview process with appropriate depth.
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Your prior notions have you to believe it is obvious. I know it's a message board, and we all speculate. But no one knows. You can't shoot down someone else's theory when you have no clue yourself.
 
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