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BigZiti09 said:
It is amazing to me that John Pennington has somehow managed to keep that condescending little show going for this long.
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Same here.


Also noteworthy that he left out the fact that Harbaugh has coached in a Super Bowl as a part of his comparison.

Yeah, maybe it's not relevant to comparing their college coaching careers, but it definitely counts for something. Tag an NFC championship and Super Bowl appearance to Butch's resume and the national perception of him is much different.
 
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Ace said:
90% of college offenses run RPOs. The scheme is not the problem. The problem this year was lack of depth and preseason injuries to Thomas and Hall that forced several to play out of position. Then our best lineman Wiesman was injured. Then almost every lineman missed time at some point and we ended up playing Alabama with a 270 lb right tackle, but hey DeBord should have called better plays. lol
And we still put lots of points on the board for most of the season.
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I actually buy the injury and lack of depth excuse at linebacker and defensive tackle, mainly because issues didn't start to set in until later in the season when losing 3 or 4 of your top 5 players at those positions actually had an effect. But the OL play was downright atrocious from the opening kick vs. App State and there's really no excuse for stinking it up as bad as they have at times here in year four. And I feel the same about corner as I do OL. These positions have been a weak link in regards to development during Coach Jones's tenure to the point that fans, media, other coaches, handlers, mentors, and most importantly, recruits have taken notice.
 
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Rishvol said:
No and no. A true RPO is a run option with a pass option if open. I don't remember ever seeing a play like that
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It wasn't our bread and butter, but we definitely have RPOs in our offense and used them this year.

You're wrong on this one.
 
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MrVolton said:
I actually buy the injury and lack of depth excuse at linebacker and defensive tackle, mainly because issues didn't start to set in until later in the season when losing 3 or 4 of your top 5 players at those positions actually had an effect. But the OL play was downright atrocious from the opening kick vs. App State and there's really no excuse for stinking it up as bad as they have at times here in year four. And I feel the same about corner as I do OL. These positions have been a weak link in regards to development during Coach Jones's tenure to the point that fans, media, other coaches, handlers, mentors, and most importantly, recruits have taken notice.
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TBH though Kirkland didn't look that great up until his injury either.

The front seven didn't do much at all until they took over the second half of the UF game and then had some impact plays against UGA.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
TBH though Kirkland didn't look that great up until his injury either.

The front seven didn't do much at all until they took over the second half of the UF game and then had some impact plays against UGA.
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The front seven was plenty solid vs. App St. No, the front seven didn't get a ton of pressure on the QB, but they didn't give up much either. The OL getting crushed is the main reason that game was so close. Even vs. Va Tech, Hokies got some early scores off the kind of quick throws up the sidelines that teams from Bama to Bowling Green have been roasting our corners with for years now. Those plays weren't really on the front seven. That D found a way to shut the Hokies down in the second half of the Battle at Bristol as well.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
TBH though Kirkland didn't look that great up until his injury either.

The front seven didn't do much at all until they took over the second half of the UF game and then had some impact plays against UGA.
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I had this thought watching some Derek Barnett career highlights. The Defense as a unit really missed Owen Williams and Danny Obrien in the middle. Tuttle and K-mac are still so young and then they get injured.
Next years front has a lot of potential but also a lot of unknown.
 
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MrVolton said:
I actually buy the injury and lack of depth excuse at linebacker and defensive tackle, mainly because issues didn't start to set in until later in the season when losing 3 or 4 of your top 5 players at those positions actually had an effect. But the OL play was downright atrocious from the opening kick vs. App State and there's really no excuse for stinking it up as bad as they have at times here in year four. And I feel the same about corner as I do OL. These positions have been a weak link in regards to development during Coach Jones's tenure to the point that fans, media, other coaches, handlers, mentors, and most importantly, recruits have taken notice.
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Oline play was bad because of injuries before the season started. Two of our top linemen (Hall & Thomas - Thomas should have never played against Appy St.) were injured before the season started. Then Wiesman went down.

We should have had at least two 5th year red shirt senior on the oline, but Dooley signed zero linemen in his last class (they would have been 5th year seniors). CBJ and staff are responsible for development and recruiting. Missing on Blair and Raulerson really hurt our depth. Oline problems actually happened before injury problems with LB and DT.

Everyone keeps saying we had a great roster going into last year, but reality is: we had very good skill players, but our oline and LBs were very thin and could not afford a single injury. We had 6 good Olinemen. Four faced serious injury. We had three good LBs and all three were injured. We were fortunate to win 8 games and we could/should have won 11.
 
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Rishvol said:
No and no. A true RPO is a run option with a pass option if open. I don't remember ever seeing a play like that
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I can't remember a specific rpo from this season, but I believe we ran a couple (very infrequent in our offense). My point was more that our oline struggled more because of lack of depth and preseason injuries rather than scheme.
 
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QGP said:
I had this thought watching some Derek Barnett career highlights. The Defense as a unit really missed Owen Williams and Danny Obrien in the middle. Tuttle and K-mac are still so young and then they get injured.
Next years front has a lot of potential but also a lot of unknown.
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Obrien's dismissal probably cost us at least one victory.

I think as fans we often forget that these guys are 18 to 22 years old. SC loss was greatly impacted by team turmoil involving Hurd. There was a negative vibe that whole game. I am not saying he is fully responsible, just saying that loss was the result of more than just X's and O's.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
TBH though Kirkland didn't look that great up until his injury either.

The front seven didn't do much at all until they took over the second half of the UF game and then had some impact plays against UGA.
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Kirkland played 1 1/2 games before his injury and looked incredibly fast and hard hitting. The front seven played great in the first 4 games. The offense sucked until Florida.
 
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MrVolton said:
The front seven was plenty solid vs. App St. No, the front seven didn't get a ton of pressure on the QB, but they didn't give up much either. The OL getting crushed is the main reason that game was so close. Even vs. Va Tech, Hokies got some early scores off the kind of quick throws up the sidelines that teams from Bama to Bowling Green have been roasting our corners with for years now. Those plays weren't really on the front seven. That D found a way to shut the Hokies down in the second half of the Battle at Bristol as well.
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Clemson didn't even do that. Darth is sticking to his guns and made a terrible point.
 
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Ace said:
Obrien's dismissal probably cost us at least one victory.

I think as fans we often forget that these guys are 18 to 22 years old. SC loss was greatly impacted by team turmoil involving Hurd. There was a negative vibe that whole game. I am not saying he is fully responsible, just saying that loss was the result of more than just X's and O's.
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Agree on the SC loss and I think many folks took O'Brien's play and experience for granted... he was a bigger loss than most think.
 
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Ace said:
I can't remember a specific rpo from this season, but I believe we ran a couple (very infrequent in our offense). My point was more that our oline struggled more because of lack of depth and preseason injuries rather than scheme.
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I've heard people say that the zone blocking scheme we use for the RPO cuffs our linemen in terms of run blocking. Not completely convinced about that, but since teams could usually afford to cheat up on Dobbs on account of accuracy it makes sense in that our run game wasn't doing well early on. However I have been seriously questioning Mahoney's coaching ability for the last 2 years.
 
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The Dormady hate is amazing. What exactly has he done for people to bash his play? Anytime he has been in and allowed to run full offense he throws lasers on the money where his WRs can make plays. How about we hope for a fierce competition and the best man win and they both do well and we win ball games.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
The Dormady hate is amazing. What exactly has he done for people to bash his play? Anytime he has been in and allowed to run full offense he throws lasers on the money where his WRs can make plays. How about we hope for a fierce competition and the best man win and they both do well and we win ball games.
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I expect QD to be the starter in 2017. Kid can get it done.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
TBH though Kirkland didn't look that great up until his injury either.

The front seven didn't do much at all until they took over the second half of the UF game and then had some impact plays against UGA.
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Ummmmm did you watch the Va. Tech game? He was starting to take it over in a hurry. Check his stats for that one in particular.
 
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