Vols trending Down (247 article)

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wmcovol said:
I've been in sales for 40 yrs. I can tell you sales and recruiting are very similar.
1) you never sell anyone when you're not confident in yourself, your product.
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Agree so recent recruiting seems to conflict with this.

2) if CBJ is this insecure, it won't change during the offseason. That is much deeper than a loss to Vandy. How has this not been uncovered before?
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I doubt seriously he is insecure as a person. I could see him feeling somewhat beat up by the noise - if he pays attention to it and lets it get to him. I could see him being disappointed in the loss to Vandy and the season. I could see him scratching his head thinking WTH - I mean Shoop was supposedly a home run hire but looks anything but that.

3) easy to find negativity in Knoxville starting week of Bama game. Never improved.
4) Firmly beleive it was to be the "final nail" after TS committed to Bama, O$U, etc.
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Constant negativity toward someone = bullying and if a person listens it can get to them. I believe like you that this article was planned and this was suppose to be day 2 of a bad week for Coach Jones and give those that need a reason - a reason.

5) Haney was let go by ESPN. Probably gets his job back now
6) no question this team and program will have intense pressure on it in 2017.
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And I hope this team and their coach responds with a spectacular season. And then if he walks ... and tells those in his back pocket where to go ... they will dang sure deserve it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Also, without the name of the source, Butch Jones and Dave Hart have no way to even verify that those quotes were ever even made. They could have been taken out of context, misquoted or even been completely fabricated. There is no way to know under the veil of anonymity. Haney used statements that are alleged to have been made. That is all.

...and Haney is not reputable 'by all accounts'... That's BS.
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My point is that why would one jump to the conclusion that the quotes are fabricated?

If you are going to make accusations that the writer is not reputable, you should present evidence.

It's perfectly reasonable to assume an experienced sports writer is doing his job unless there is evidence to the contrary.

Getting a story wrong is one thing, but fabricating a story is another. If he did fabricate this story, he would very easily lose a libel case against him.
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
No, we're just passionate fans that expect more from this staff, team and program. We deserve better, even you Mr. Self Righteous! Why do you think we are all crying?? Did you not watch this season unfold then read this article. Do something productive and grow a pair dude.
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You're the one that needs to grow a pair, Dude. I suspect the majority of you cry, is you enjoy crying, gives you a purpose. There is no way some of you are Vol fans or you wouldn't get such enjoyment out of turmoil.

It was a hit piece, pure and simple. Served no purpose other than putting UT in a bad light. I hope it backfires on them. Using that crap as click bait. Probably reads this site and knew the legion of the miserable would champion the article..
 
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AM64 said:
The "truth" attributed to unnamed sources. Daniel Hood consistently offered a differing opinion:

"'Certain guys had more of a voice than they deserve,' a source close to the team said. 'Certain guys would become team captains even though they didn’t earn it. When that happens, it dissolves trust the rest of the team has in you.'

A few former players and the media relations office refuted these claims.

'I don’t see any scenario where I believe there would be that type of favoritism. I just can’t see that,' said Hood, who played for Jones in his first season, 2013. 'I love the guy. I could say hands down that of every single coach I played for, that was the one staff that really got it from the top down.'"
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certain guys would be made captains without earning it? I'm pretty positive the players voted the captains. I even remember seeing discussion about that on this board after Kamara was voted over Hurd.

Some of the claims in this article are no doubt in my mind true, but this one and a couple other quotes just don't make sense.
 
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ChattownVFL said:
'The culture is a disaster:' Jones, Vols trending the wrong way

Here's another smear piece.. someone has an agenda

edit: realized it's the same article
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I am NOT in the "fire Butch" camp, but this article confirmed the suspicions I had about the problems in the program. I thought it was an outstanding article. This season was a disaster on many levels from a coaching standpoint, and it was right there for all of us to see. You can't blame the author because he won't put lipstick on a pig.

Butch better start coaching these players again, instead of coddling and enabling them, or this is going to continue downhill at an even faster rate.
 
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The guy obviously talked to guys like Corey Miller. A shame really. Whomever said that Butch wasn't comfortable in his own skin, lmao, is wrong. You cant talk to people on the fringe and act like you got something that's real.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the coaches you mentioned in #2 have something that CBJ doesn't...credibility. when you're winning conf titles and national titles, you can get away with it. CBJ can't.

the media bashing UT has taken is a direct result of how CBJ portrays himself when in front of the media and fans. he's his own worst enemy in this regard.

the title of it being a "disaster" is probably overblown, and hte article has a narrative that it follows w/out question. but there's no real doubt that the culture took a punch to the gut this year.
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How many schools are winning conference titles? How many do it consistently? I can count on one hand who does.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
My point is that why would one jump to the conclusion that the quotes are fabricated?

If you are going to make accusations that the writer is not reputable, you should present evidence.

It's perfectly reasonable to assume an experienced sports writer is doing his job unless there is evidence to the contrary.

Getting a story wrong is one thing, but fabricating a story is another. If he did fabricate this story, he would very easily lose a libel case against him.
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How can anything he said in the article be verified? I only saw one player who was man enough to give his name. The others cowardly did not. I, not anymore, don't assume stories like this are the absolute truth. But with stories like this we just have to take Haney's word that it's true lol.
 
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EZE said:
I am NOT in the "fire Butch" camp, but this article confirmed the suspicions I had about the problems in the program. I thought it was an outstanding article. This season was a disaster on many levels from a coaching standpoint, and it was right there for all of us to see. You can't blame the author because he won't put lipstick on a pig.

Butch better start coaching these players again, instead of coddling and enabling them, or this is going to continue downhill at an even faster rate.
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I remember when Helm, Hendricks, cb from DC, Wr from Maryland I think, left. Some said Butch was too hard on them. As much as we want to blame someone else for people's personal life choices, We shouldn't do that. Hurd chose to be the type of person that he is too. So did O'Brien and Preston Williams. They're the ones who chose to quit, smoke weed, be selfish and give up. It's obvious to me that those few dont define the other 70 something players who haven't. My point is that it's not the coaches fault or the teams fault.
 
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A-RodWiLks said:
Article is pretty much dead on
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another idiot, what make what he wrote factual? because you feel that way?........do yourself a favor and get an education and stop being so gullible. Wow! its like you want them to say bad things about a coach or school just to prove you were right about something. By the way, my hair growing tree bark is a BOGO......just cash please............it really works...........trust me :crazy:
 
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QuickSmurf said:
I remember when Helm, Hendricks, cb from DC, Wr from Maryland I think, left. Some said Butch was too hard on them. As much as we want to blame someone else for people's personal life choices, We shouldn't do that. Hurd chose to be the type of person that he is too. So did O'Brien and Preston Williams. They're the ones who chose to quit, smoke weed, be selfish and give up. It's obvious to me that those few dont define the other 70 something players who haven't. My point is that it's not the coaches fault or the teams fault.
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Exactly right... and before we call the culture a disaster - let's get some comments from guys like Jauan Jennings and John Kelly. How about Jack Jones and Alvin Kamara (who is on the record saying he loves it in Knoxville and doesn't regret transferring from Alabama for a minute)? Is it possible that most of the team has enjoyed playing for Butch Jones and likes being a part of this team? Sure, that's possible but it would have gotten in the way of Haney's narrative.
 
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Wylo said:
Clearly the players were not focused on ball security, that falls on coaching when it's this prevalent.

Did Alabama lose their staying running back? Maybe Hurd was a flake, maybe he was telling the truth about Butch lying to him. Either way, it doesn't look good.

The champions of life thing was bad. It doesn't matter how he meant it. He said it and the entire sports world clowned him for it. Even if he meant it the way he says he did, it is not flattering to say at that point. He had to know better. If he doesn't, that's squarely on his shoulders. Perception becomes reality.

Vandy and south Carolina are inexcusable. USC coming off a bye and Vandy when playing for the sugar bowl. That's fire worthy at any big time school.

I think it's foolish to say a bad year next year would be the "start" of the decline. The red flags from this year are hard to ignore.

I see your points, but I just feel differently.
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I should have worded better because I actually agree that this year is a decline from last year. If 2017 is the same or worse, then that is when I would begin to use the word "trend". I just need more than 1 year of decline or stagnation to call it a trend
 
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volfan102455 said:
Agree so recent recruiting seems to conflict with this.



I doubt seriously he is insecure as a person. I could see him feeling somewhat beat up by the noise - if he pays attention to it and lets it get to him. I could see him being disappointed in the loss to Vandy and the season. I could see him scratching his head thinking WTH - I mean Shoop was supposedly a home run hire but looks anything but that.



Constant negativity toward someone = bullying and if a person listens it can get to them. I believe like you that this article was planned and this was suppose to be day 2 of a bad week for Coach Jones and give those that need a reason - a reason.



And I hope this team and their coach responds with a spectacular season. And then if he walks ... and tells those in his back pocket where to go ... they will dang sure deserve it.
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Constant criticism can take a toll; no doubt about that. I can't criticize Butch on his responses, we've seen similar from plenty of others being grilled by the "press". Some people with more experience and grace (Reagan, for example) have gotten away with it easily, but most people don't fare well against a "journalist" with an agenda.

We are very likely simply seeing a guy who has coached in lesser conferences coming to grips with the toughest conference in college football - he might even have gotten a bit of a break if we didn't play AL every year and have to directly compete with AL for players.

It's nothing new, but the "experts" jump head over heels with little regard to reason at any positive and especially any negative. Note how GA's stock rose when Richt was fired and Smart was hired - unreasonable optimism (top 10 by week 2) which may well be followed by unreasonable negativity if he fails to meet the unreasonable hype. If we were talking Mich St or Notre Dame here, then maybe I could see the suicide watch or hit squad.

So much goes with learning a new job whether a major step up or semi lateral, but we are UT, and should by rights never have married beneath us even if that meant we never took a risk on a Dickey or a Fulmer. We absolutely know we could have paid more for sure winners who would have put us in the CFP by now - just like the other UT.
 
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