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Nashvegas31 said:
Getting bad man. This is why you don't take shots at media without being Saban good. They are killing him right now. Barton Simmons new article about Butch busts is going to hurt really bad I think. That will be sent to all targets by opposing coaches. They prob don't write that article if you haven't been attacking their colleagues.
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Yeah, it sucks. Beating Vandy and heading to the Sugar would have calmed the waters, but now it's just the perfect storm. Haven't read the Simmons piece. I'm guessing I don't want to?
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Getting bad man. This is why you don't take shots at media without being Saban good. They are killing him right now. Barton Simmons new article about Butch busts is going to hurt really bad I think. That will be sent to all targets by opposing coaches. They prob don't write that article if you haven't been attacking their colleagues.
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Barton is a Vandy man. Probably more to do with losing to them than his colleagues. Really don't care what he says.
 
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Remember last year when there was so much hope? We had some disappointing losses last year but we also had pretty good "reasons" for all of them. Youth, inexperience and others. Plus we could see that we got better following the Arkansas game. Then we were excited about the outback bowl and fully believed we were in a position to contend with Alabama in 2016. The worst thing about all of this is that I don't have any hope or optimism for 2017. The last 3 years I could always say, "but I know we'll be better next year!" I don't have that this year. Who knows, maybe Butch gets it together and we make some good staff hires and that optimism will return. But we need to hear from him soon.
 
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It's amazing how good UT has made McElwain look. He'd be smack on the hot seat himself if UT hadn't gifted him the SECE the past two years.
 
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BaldBiker said:
I personally don't take anything away from the Vandy game as far as the team is concerned. I wasn't even angry after the game. Just numb about it. The whole thing is on coaching. close games to teams we should have mopped the field with. Losses to teams we should have been better than. Horribly beaten by a team we should have at least given a game for a half. All coaching.

Recruiting - Butch is good at it. Could be great if the rest of his resume was up to par.

Player development - I thought he was good at it at first, but am thinking maybe I was wrong. I say this for a couple of reasons.

1) Guys like DB, JRM, CS and AK. Did they really develop or were they already that good? Look at their careers and I bet you'll find they were pretty close to that good to begin with. Beyond that....what/who? Malone...I bet he goes to the NFL...it will not have anything to do with his development at UT. Croom. People can say what they want. That man was talent wasted here. I hope he gets a chance to show something in a combine.

2) We talk about injuries. It's every year here and not just a few. It's a lot and seems to hit key people and positions the most. That is also player development. The S&C program is a big part of it. Properly conditioning your players does not end injuries, but it greatly reduces the chances. Not hitting in practice does not help so much in the injury department as it hurts in real game situations and makes players more prone to injury.

X's & O's- He's not good.

I'll go so far as to say, IMO, DeBord may be the reason we have done as well as we have offensively. Ask yourself this. If Butch is calling the plays in game, do you think we win more or less games? DeBord spends hours prior to games trying to figure out how to make this scheme work. That is on gameday....after having spent all week practicing it.
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Malone and JRM were not d1 ready when they arrived on campus. They definitely developed in their time at UT

Kirkland took a few games so while that's not atypical he still had to be developed

Eberry looked like a good safety when he got in after injuries prior to his injury

Vereen developed into a 3-4th in the draft imo

I think the OL looked a lot better once AK and JK were running. So I think you can argue some development there

Honestly all that adds up to even more of an indictment on coaching

Defensive coaching has just been atrocious
 
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The new most Tennessee thing ever: Phil Knight's millions make McElwain the highest paid CFB coach ever after UF goes to the SECCG and Sugar Bowl.
 
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LA Vol said:
LOL. I was just thinking the least he could do is send us a fruit basket or a box of clementines.
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mmmmm....clementines.

I'd have to send him a thank you note...

"Thanks for losing to us. We're glad the streak is over. Thanks for freeing up an extra two to three Saturdays of my year...and thanks for the clementines".
 
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There are some tremendous HC and coordinators avalailble right now. Would be a great time to have an aggressive AD that could bring in a Ckelly type fish. Or even keep CBJ but get strong as D.C., held rich for OC.

Some teams are definitely going to have upgrade opportunities
 
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SCvol333 said:
Malone and JRM were not d1 ready when they arrived on campus. They definitely developed in their time at UT

Kirkland took a few games so while that's not atypical he still had to be developed

Eberry looked like a good safety when he got in after injuries prior to his injury

Vereen developed into a 3-4th in the draft imo

I think the OL looked a lot better once AK and JK were running. So I think you can argue some development there

Honestly all that adds up to even more of an indictment on coaching

Defensive coaching has just been atrocious
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I'll agree to disagree with you then, because most if not all of those (exception IMO is possibly Vereen) could have simply developed to where they are from being in the system for a period of time.

Malone stepped on campus d1 ready and regressed. JRM was outstanding on special teams while waiting to replace either AJ or Maggitt. Kirkland was D1 ready when he stepped on campus. He just needed to learn the system and get his feet wet.

The OL?? Who the hell knows now? I mean really...they may have been decent the whole time. Not great or even good, but decent. Had we been running AK and Kelly behind them all year last year who knows what we would have thought of them? But we didn't.

Vereen? Now I have to ask myself....did he develop because of the coaches, or did he develop because of DB?

All JMO of course, but at this point, it's going to take some work to get me to change it.
 
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SCvol333 said:
Malone and JRM were not d1 ready when they arrived on campus. They definitely developed in their time at UT

Kirkland took a few games so while that's not atypical he still had to be developed

Eberry looked like a good safety when he got in after injuries prior to his injury

Vereen developed into a 3-4th in the draft imo

I think the OL looked a lot better once AK and JK were running. So I think you can argue some development there

Honestly all that adds up to even more of an indictment on coaching

Defensive coaching has just been atrocious
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Completely agree with this post. Development has been there at almost all positions, except defensive back in my opinion. Everything else has been bad in game coaching decisions.
 
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I was thinking today. Has there ever been a coach that the media didn't defend? Seems like with Miles, Richt, Butch, Bret, Chump, Strong, doesn't matter, the media always says something like "fans just need to be patient he's a great coach" etc etc...
 
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SCvol333 said:
Malone and JRM were not d1 ready when they arrived on campus. They definitely developed in their time at UT

Kirkland took a few games so while that's not atypical he still had to be developed

Eberry looked like a good safety when he got in after injuries prior to his injury

Vereen developed into a 3-4th in the draft imo

I think the OL looked a lot better once AK and JK were running. So I think you can argue some development there

Honestly all that adds up to even more of an indictment on coaching

Defensive coaching has just been atrocious
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Didn't JRM kill it right away his freshman year?
 
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"Before Butch was hired at Tennessee he was taking the Purdue job, he was calling recruits that he had committed to Cincy and telling them he was going to Purdue and to come with him. When he was finally hired at Tennessee he never once gave those same recruits a courtesy call or tell them what he was doing after they were committed to him for over a year. Some had to scramble because it was so late in there recruiting. Reason I know this is because a few of these kids came to my camps and I had discussions with them about the situation. One family called him many times left messages and he didn't even have the common courtesy to call them back."

-OrangeVenom in FF

Interesting
 
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jave36 said:
I was thinking today. Has there ever been a coach that the media didn't defend? Seems like with Miles, Richt, Butch, Bret, Chump, Strong, doesn't matter, the media always says something like "fans just need to be patient he's a great coach" etc etc...
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Coach worshippers
 
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