Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

[Glitch]

So you were burglarized for drug money, while drugs are illegal...are you saying if drugs were legal that would happen more? That logic makes no sense. It is the drug war that makes drugs harder to get and drives up the cost, can you understand that?

Also I don't necessarily think ALL drugs should be legal. If drugs cause a physical addiction and can be easily lethal than no they should not be legal. Shouldmarijuana be a class 1 narcotic? Of course not. Everyone has issues with their parties' platforms but compared to the others and the incestuous nature of the two party system I choose libertarian and I push for awareness not necessarily blind following.

keep fighting that drug war you are #winning

If you want to end the drug war then all drugs would have to be legalized. I worked with drug enforcement officers in my younger years and saw first hand the monumental and impossible task they take on every day. If the war on drugs was being won by the good guys then drug dealers would have stopped. They are making money though so they won't stop anytime soon. I agree that the war on drugs is expensive and like pushing a boulder up a hill. I also couldn't care less about marijuana. It is no more harmful than tobacco or alcohol and in fact has many useful medicinal purposes. I am pleased to see more states adopting medical marijuana. You are all over the map though. You say that the war against drugs is useless but you don't want to legalize all drugs. Heroin, cocaine, and many other synthetic drugs would still be illegal and still require law enforcement to combat them. Simply legalizing MJ does not end the expensive war on drugs. Come on Newt.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Legalizing ALL drugs is not the party platform. Some extreme libertarians believe that, but Marijuana is the only consensus drug they (we) think should be legal.

And there are plenty of pro life Libertarians too. But at the worst, they believe in states' rights which would effectively end abortion in the majority of the country.

This is from Glitch's post above from their platform. It doesn't distinguish which drugs.

1.7 Crime and Justice

The prescribed role of government is to protect the rights of every individual including the right to life, liberty and property. Criminal laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.

 

[bignewt]

If you want to end the drug war then all drugs would have to be legalized. I worked with drug enforcement officers in my younger years and saw first hand the monumental and impossible task they take on every day. If the war on drugs was being won by the good guys then drug dealers would have stopped. They are making money though so they won't stop anytime soon. I agree that the war on drugs is expensive and like pushing a boulder up a hill. I also couldn't care less about marijuana. It is no more harmful than tobacco or alcohol and in fact has many useful medicinal purposes. I am pleased to see more states adopting medical marijuana. You are all over the map though. You say that the war against drugs is useless but you don't want to legalize all drugs. Heroin, cocaine, and many other synthetic drugs would still be illegal and still require law enforcement to combat them. Simply legalizing MJ does not end the expensive war on drugs. Come on Newt.

Its a pivot on the drug war changing the way it is fought. Billions is put into fighting the marijuana trade that is there because our government caused it.

Again you all can dive into the platform all you want and make arguements against it as I could against the other two parties. Just like it was mentioned people can be libertarian without believe in the extreme version of it.

Bottom line is the platform falls in line with what I believe more than the other two. Add the fact this country is dying because of the two party system it becomes an obvious choice for me. To each their own!

 

[bignewt]

If you are a drug abuser to the point that you can't make a living, it doesn't matter how much the drugs cost. You you to find some way to pay for them. Sure, I agree some people can use drugs and be productive members of society but many can't. I have friends that make six figures and smoke pot. I don't have a problem with those people as long as they're responsible, i.e. not driving under the influence. But their are a lot of people that are are on OXy, Hydros, Meth, Crack, and heroine that can't sustain a normal life and are a drain on society. As an employer, I've witnessed it first hand. Iv'e had to cut people loose that I didn't want to because when not under the influence were quality employees but when they were, which was often, were a danger to them and those around them.

Alcohol has lost more people their jobs than the other drugs combined so...

 

[Glitch]

Its a pivot on the drug war changing the way it is fought. Billions is put into fighting the marijuana trade that is there because our government caused it.

Again you all can dive into the platform all you want and make arguements against it as I could against the other two parties. Just like it was mentioned people can be libertarian without believe in the extreme version of it.

Bottom line is the platform falls in line with what I believe more than the other two. Add the fact this country is dying because of the two party system it becomes an obvious choice for me. To each their own!

I am very glad that the Libertarian Party exists. I think it could potentially become a party that competes in statewide and national elections. However, they do not currently have sufficient following to challenge either of the two major parties. IMO HRC could not be allowed to win the White House. She would have done severe harm to this country that would have taken many more years to repair. In states like Tennessee, Indiana, Texas, etc, a vote for the Libertarian Party might be possible. However, in key battleground states, people don't have that luxury. In those states, at it's current level of electability, a vote for the Libertarian Party is a vote for the Democrats. Keep voting Libertarian as is your right to do so, but don't insult those that choose to fight socialism in a more practical way.

 

[bignewt]

who insulted anyone? raise that cup my friend.

 

[Skullbone]

We blocked the commies at every level this year. Let's take a day to just soak that in and enjoy it. Freedom lives on for a little while longer. Thank you, Lord. God Bless America!

 

[Kristy*]

who insulted anyone? raise that cup my friend.

Calling people 'sheep' who supported Trump is an insult.

 

[bignewt]

I pretty much call anyone who supports a corrupt two-party system sheep. Im not singling anybody out.

 

[Orange Studs]

I pretty much call anyone who supports a corrupt two-party system sheep. Im not singling anybody out.

You need to buy Your man Johnson a Globe.

 

[bignewt]

Would rather not know about Aleppo then have intimate knowledge of Benghazi. As for Trump, I doubt he has won any geography contests...

 

[Orange Studs]

Would rather not know about Aleppo then have intimate knowledge of Benghazi. As for Trump, I doubt he has won any geography contests...

I believe as President you better know about all of them but if your biggest concern is legalizing pot, I guess I would choose to hide from those issues to.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Alcohol has lost more people their jobs than the other drugs combined so...

Well duh! There are millions more that partake in using alcohol than drugs. Percentage wise drug abuse would have to be responsible for more lost jobs than alcohol.

 

[bignewt]

Beg to differ on those percentages and what is Trump's foreign policy? ...Oh that's ok, nobody knows.

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

I'm a Bernie guy, but congrats to Trump. Hope he has a successful 4 years. God bless America.

And God bless California, Nevada and Massachusetts for taking the right step with this failed war on drugs.

 

[jave36]

This is from Glitch's post above from their platform. It doesn't distinguish which drugs.

1.7 Crime and Justice

The prescribed role of government is to protect the rights of every individual including the right to life, liberty and property. Criminal laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.

There are few libertarians I've followed who support legalizing heroin, meth, etc...its an ambiguous statement that needs clarification, but my experience listening to libertarian candidates says that doesn't apply to the clearly dangerous drugs.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Alcohol has lost more people their jobs than the other drugs combined so...

As a minister and a former drug addict, this is a difficult topic for me. I have seen the problem from deep inside and out. It is very hard to articulate my stance simply. I know drugs are a horrible plague. But to lump them all together is also wrong. I have no right to make people believe as I do. I think marijuana should be legalized. It is among the greatest hypocrisies that it's recreational use is prohibited by law, when alcohol is legal. It is hypocrisy for many Christians to espouse the virtuesif, and regularly engage in, recreational drinking, but be against the use of marijuana for ostensibly the same purposes. I am personally against recreational the use of all these substances. But I have no right to legislate that morality on anyone. I don't want to argue about it, just stating how I feel.

 

[bignewt]

I can respect that.

 

[unioncityvol]

Gabriel sounded his trumpets to signal the apocalypse, trumpets, Trump Pence 😲 it's happening. Lol Couldn't resist.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

There are few libertarians I've followed who support legalizing heroin, meth, etc...its an ambiguous statement that needs clarification, but my experience listening to libertarian candidates says that doesn't apply to the clearly dangerous drugs.

It would help their cause if they would clarify that.

 

[itsme]

Legalizing ALL drugs is not the party platform. Some extreme libertarians believe that, but Marijuana is the only consensus drug they (we) think should be legal.

And there are plenty of pro life Libertarians too. But at the worst, they believe in states' rights which would effectively end abortion in the majority of the country.

This is where I stand. I believe that a fetus is a living human being thus abortion is murder especially after the heart beats. It should be states rights.

I also believe that adults can make their own choices and that the government interferes in the lives of people way too much. I feel they should stay out of marriage and that it should be a religious choice, no government licenses for marriages. Mary Jane should be legalized and encouraged in the medical field, get away from prescription drugs. Less government and less U.S. involvement in the world.

I voted Johnson because I felt that Trump didn't truly express his beliefs on Abortion.

 

[itsme]

I believe as President you better know about all of them but if your biggest concern is legalizing pot, I guess I would choose to hide from those issues to.

I would rather my President not be the Pres of the world. Sorry but Aleppo is not an American issue, it is a Middle East issue.

Too many people think that if you give someone freedom they will take it and run with it. They will run to their extremes and away from true freedom.

Freedom has to be earned and fought for, you shed your blood sweat and tears for it and then you respect it. Like we did and do. That is the problem with the wars we are fighting now, we're giving it away to those who don't want it and cherish it. So to them it means nothing and they still have their hand out wanting someone to save them.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Beg to differ on those percentages and what is Trump's foreign policy? ...Oh that's ok, nobody knows.

Okey Dokey.

Don't expect me to defend Trump though. Not what we were discussing.

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

As a minister and a former drug addict, this is a difficult topic for me. I have seen the problem from deep inside and out. It is very hard to articulate my stance simply. I know drugs are a horrible plague. But to lump them all together is also wrong. I have no right to make people believe as I do. I think marijuana should be legalized. It is among the greatest hypocrisies that it's recreational use is prohibited by law, when alcohol is legal. It is hypocrisy for many Christians to espouse the virtuesif, and regularly engage in, recreational drinking, but be against the use of marijuana for ostensibly the same purposes. I am personally against recreational the use of all these substances. But I have no right to legislate that morality on anyone. I don't want to argue about it, just stating how I feel.

Very well said

 

[Catbone]

I always knew trump had MUCH more enthusiastic voters. But being a negative person in general I thought they'd rig it against him and he'd lose. But we did it. Regardless of what happens now, I can at least have some hope.