'17' TN ATH Tee Higgins (Clemson commit)

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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Yes, UT looks good at 7th in 2014. Lets consider a moment though Tennessee signed 32 kids while Clemson took just 20.

In 2015 UT landed at #4 signing 30 while Clemson took 26.

In 2016 UT landed at #14 signing 23 kids while Clemson was 11th signing 20.

2017 we are ranked 11th with 23 commitments while Clemson is 10th with just 12.

IMO Butch and his recruiting methods worked at first. I always said I'm not sure it works long term. I felt it would catch up to him. IMO that's what we're seeing play out.
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I would assume that someone with such a wealth of knowledge about recruiting, would have an actual clue about how many recruits actually go into rankings.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I would assume that someone with such a wealth of knowledge about recruiting, would have an actual clue about how many recruits actually go into rankings.
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I believe 247 counts all of them. "The top 20" is only a Rivals thing I believe. IF they even still do only count the top 20.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
I believe 247 counts all of them. "The top 20" is only a Rivals thing I believe. IF they even still do only count the top 20.
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247 does count them all - but as you get lower down the list, each one is weighted less and less.

Our total team score in 2014 was 274.76.

Because of how the weighting works, our bottom 10 commits actually only accounted for less than 3 of those 274.76 points.

Note of interest- Of those bottom 10 rated commits were Jashon Robertson, Emmanuel Moseley, and Owen Williams
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Once again, you struggle to see your own example of Feaster is exactly what I just said. Feaster was likely told, your spot isn't SAFE if you visit Tennessee, NOT you won't be a part of this class if you visit UT. He visits us, comes home and reaffirms his commitment to Clemson. Dabo didn't have the #2 RB on the board on hold waiting on Feaster. Whoever it might have been, was likely not ready to commit anywhere. So simply because Feaster's spot wasn't filled in 2-3 days, doesn't mean Dabo wouldn't have filled it if his 2nd choice had called the day Feaster arrived in Knoxville.

When Feaster got home Clemson still had a RB spot open (his old one), he said I want in and then it was filled again. If Cordarrian Richardson takes a visit this week and Cam Akers calls Clemson and says he wants in, Dabo will in all likelihood scoop up Akers and let Richardson walk. If some kid down the road with a Furman offer calls and wants in, of course he's not cutting Richardson loose for him.

Yes, the elite of the elite may have a little more leeway, but that's only because there's not as many comparable players as them. That's common sense.
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Once again you completely ignored who and what I was responding to. I can't help someone see I was using another poster's logic against him when that person can't grasp the flow of a conversation. Carry on with your little straw man argument though. And for the record, do you have any evidence as to this happening during Feaster's recruitment? Or is this some bs you pulled out of Leb's backside that you are trying to pass off as fact. Unless you heard an internal conversation about Feaster's recruitment, you're just making up some nonsensical narrative and attempting to pass it off as fact. I've never seen 2 guys turn football into such a soap opera.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Once again you completely ignored who and what I was responding to. I can't help someone see I was using another poster's logic against him when that person can't grasp the flow of a conversation. Carry on with your little straw man argument though.
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You said Dabo kept Feaster so that proves he bends rules for elite guys. So what, he kept Feaster?

If you take a visit and a comparable guy walks in and wants on board I have little doubt Dabo would take the commitment and say sorry to the prospect still looking. As bignewt said, Butch does a similar thing. As long as you look, we'll recruit your position like you're not here.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Your example is Feaster. You keep saying Dabo kept him so that proves he bends rules for elite guys. So what, he kept Feaster?
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I don't recall many articles talking about Dabo pulling offers or kids doing interviews talking about it. I don't think it's happened much at all. The Clemson fan mentioned Marlin Lane and I do think we celebrated it when he was cut loose for visiting us. I don't think there have been many though. I'm sure the staff there make sure the recruit knows the process if they want to commit.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
I don't recall many articles talking about Dabo pulling offers or kids doing interviews talking about it. I don't think it's happened much at all. The Clemson fan mentioned Marlin Lane and I do think we celebrated it when he was cut loose for visiting us. I don't think there have been many though. I'm sure the staff there make sure the recruit knows the process if they want to commit.
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I think he rarely straight up pulls offers and refuses to let a kid back in but does consider your spot open. 5* LB Rashaun Smith decommited last year in August in order to take visits and acknowledged that that was Dabo's rule and he understood it. He ultimately recommitted to Clemson in February because they still had room.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Only thing I struggle with is faulty logic which is what guys like yourself and Leb specialize in. My response was to a guy who claimed this was Dabo's rule. I revealed not only an example of a supposed exception but I also challenged him to name other examples of kids who Dabo sent packing. I knew in advance that Leb would have zero legitimate answers and would deflect to some random nonsense in an attempt to cover for how clueless he is. He didn't disappoint. And here you come rumbling in thinking you have some sort of gotcha moment, only to confirm once again you seem to not only struggle with the flow of a conversation but that a team you supposedly don't support needs your assistance in defending. My advice is to find a nice Clemson board. Maybe you and Leb can get a couples deal. And both of you can fit right in and join the inane ramblings of all of the other morons that populate that board.
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Gotta make room for Brandon. Apple slices don't cut themselves. :)
 
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BleedingButch said:
247 does count them all - but as you get lower down the list, each one is weighted less and less.

Our total team score in 2014 was 274.76.

Because of how the weighting works, our bottom 10 commits actually only accounted for less than 3 of those 274.76 points.

Note of interest- Of those bottom 10 rated commits were Jashon Robertson, Emmanuel Moseley, and Owen Williams
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In all this talk of comparing recruiting classes, y'all forgot to mention that recruiting services are never wrong in their rankings and evaluation of talent.

SN: I wonder what Leb...errr...I mean crunch did in the Cayman Islands before the ranking system came about. What did he complain and scrutinize about? Uniforms? Field condition? Had to be something.
 
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SergeantVol said:
In all this talk of comparing recruiting classes, y'all forgot to mention that recruiting services are never wrong in their rankings and evaluation of talent.

SN: I wonder what Leb...errr...I mean crunch did in the Cayman Islands before the ranking system came about. What did he complain and scrutinize about? Uniforms? Field condition? Had to be something.
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I'd get to the harbor early. Find a nice picnic table spot. Have some breakfast and watch tourists come off the cruise ships. As they sat down for a drink I would bring up my frustrations with the lack of a ranking system for high school recruits headed to college.

TIFWIW
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
I'd get to the harbor early. Find a nice picnic table spot. Have some breakfast and watch tourists come off the cruise ships. As they sat down for a drink I would bring up my frustrations with the lack of a ranking system for high school recruits headed to college.

TIFWIW
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I couldn't have crafted a better theory!
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
I'm 100% UT but have always had a very different opinion on how recruiting should be handled. I've learned this year Dabo at Clemson literally recruits exactly like I've been saying for a while I'd do it. Most on this board told me big time programs can't do it and win. Obviously that notion is inaccurate as Clemson is doing it and winning. I'd love to see UT adopt the recruiting method. Recruits and their families IMO would welcome it. Its easier to preach family if you're treating them like family. All that said, I'm not becoming a Clemson fan. LOL
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The problem with your system is the head coach can't tell kids to look around in January.
 
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I am not jealous of Clemson's recruiting classes for one second. Once they lose Deshaun Watson after this season they will return to mediocrity/above average. Alot of their star recruits I followed from the last two classed are overrated (Tavien Feaster, Hunter Johnson, Amari Rogers, even Higgins is a bit overrated as a 5*).
 
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BleedingButch said:
247 does count them all - but as you get lower down the list, each one is weighted less and less.

Our total team score in 2014 was 274.76.

Because of how the weighting works, our bottom 10 commits actually only accounted for less than 3 of those 274.76 points.

Note of interest- Of those bottom 10 rated commits were Jashon Robertson, Emmanuel Moseley, and Owen Williams
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So the bottom 10 recruits in that class accounted for roughly 1% of our total score and subsequent ranking.

Wow Leb, you got blown out of the water there...
 
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85SugarVol said:
So the bottom 10 recruits in that class accounted for roughly 1% of our total score and subsequent ranking.

Wow Leb, you got blown out of the water there...
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Now just think of how little it mattered when it was only a difference of 2 or 3 more recruits. But hey, since when do facts matter in a false narrative?
 
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85SugarVol said:
So the bottom 10 recruits in that class accounted for roughly 1% of our total score and subsequent ranking.

Wow Leb, you got blown out of the water there...
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While I'm not exactly sure how 247 works the declining scale for huge classes like ours in 2014, we signed 16 4* and 16 3*. Clemson signed 10 of each. We were about 24 points ahead of them with no 5* on either side. I know it was claimed 10 signees accounted for just 3 points, but that 24 points came from somewhere.

I'll toss this out as well as why IMO saying 10 or so UT commits only count for a total of 3 points doesn't jive.

Look at Ole Miss. 27 commits. 6 4*, 19 3*, and 2 2*. Their average* rating is like 1.2 less than Clemson. Yet Ole Miss is rated above Clemson. Now unless they are counting ALL those ole miss commits and a claim of (6-7 count as like 1 point), I believe it doesn't add up. If only 20 count for much of anything, Clemson's 10 4* would have them well ahead of Ole Miss's 6.
 
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sanddune50 said:
And apparently this board attracts a lot insecure mental midgets that think NSD is in August.
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Nailed it. Their ring leader should have to lick the spoon that he stirs the pot with. Of course, that'll have to happen after he is done beating that already dead horse.
 
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