Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVI

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There was talk a little while back that some schools, including some in the SEC was going to guaranteed 4 year scholarships. We were not one of them. I wonder if those who did are seeing any benefit from it.
 
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I think a lot of times Butch will gladly take a commitment early on from a player who might be rated a little lower. But his commitment is often contingent on having some things left to prove on the football field during his senior year. If you work hard and develop into the player we think you can be, then your committable offer still stands. If you don't accomplish those things, we reserve the right to move on.

I think it's part of his building the Tennessee brand. It's a privilege to sign here. You have to be a certain quality player. A lot of these lower rates guys know they have to work their butt off to keep their spots and that ends up making them better players. And whether they are higher rated or not doesn't really matter.

I think he probably tells this to some higher rated players that want to commit as well if he is not totally convinced of their talent level. It might rub some of them the wrong way. Who knows. If they feel that way, they're probably not a good fit to play under Butch Jones anyways.

But it also puts us in a great position where we don't get left with scraps if we end up missing on some highly rated guys who wait until signing day to commit. I think that's what burned Dooley. He would miss on a guy and have no backup plan ready to take his place. That has rarely if ever happened under Butch.

I think everybody that commits to Tennessee understands these things. It leaves it up to the player to perform and improve and even after they commit they have to continue to work to earn their spot in the class.

That's my take anyways.
 
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jave36 said:
Lol SIAP, NCAA misses their own deadline to respond to Donnie Tyndall appeal. Loophole may invalidate the show cause haha
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His attorney claimed that but NCAA claimed otherwise:

"NCAA spokeswoman Emily James said in an email late Wednesday to the News Sentinel that the Committee on Infractions did not miss its deadline for the filing, but could not comment further due to the membership's confidentiality rules."


He said- She said at this point.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
"As for the current team, there are daily questions about Shy Tuttle. There are daily glowing reviews about Jonathan Kongbo, but the player who may have come the farthest over the last 18 months or so?

Kahlil McKenzie.

A couple of years ago, McKenzie was at 350 pounds. He surprised many when he arrived last summer in that he wasn't as heavy as feared, but he was too big and wasn't in shape. Today, McKenzie is under 320 pounds. In fact he's near 315 pounds and looks like a million dollars. He's moving better than he has in the past and is stronger than he has been since arriving at Tennessee.

Now, that doesn't mean the hype is slowing on Kongbo in any way, but McKenzie has just been grinding. His commitment to managing his weight really ramped up a notch during spring practice and coming out of spring. He has put himself where he has long wanted to be with fall camp basically a week away."

- VQ
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Oh man *Drake voice*
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Any major college football program has issues with football players and the girls who "like" them.

As a parent you tell your son to avoid random hookups with women who he doesn't know well. That's all you can do. If he ignores it and finds himself in trouble, don't blame the school or environment. The kid could be serving chalupas at Taco Bell and get into trouble with some strange he met in drive thru. Don't blame someone else. Tell the idiot to keep it in his pants.
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Even you had to have a mother.
It doesn't matter how many universities have issues. If one is being drug the mud while option B is not, mothers do what they can to limit the chances.
It's not an on/off switch for them.

I personally don't feel the lawsuit is the biggest factor but it was a factor.
I know in leb world that things are black and white but in everyone else's world, it's a whole lot of grey.
Surely you know how much it was used against us and can at least admit that. It was just another obstacle to overcome.
 
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millst987 said:
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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BruinVol said:
Almost certain the big10 has to do it
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Ah. Could be. That article from 2014 only seem to point to 4 schools taking advantage of it much. 2 years ago though. A lot may have changed.

I could definitely see where it's a selling point to recruits and parents. Especially comparing one who does and one who doesn't.
 
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I'm usually just a lurker but I wanted to take a chance to explain "Negavol cycle" for those not familiar. It happened every year under CBJ. Late February through June= complaining we don't have enough commits and all hope is lost. June through October= we have way too many recruits with not enough stars and all hope is lost. October through February= kids are decommiting, relationships are ruined and all hope is lost. Rinse and repeat. Hope this helps and stop feeding the trolls.
 
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Fowdep said:
I'm usually just a lurker but I wanted to take a chance to explain "Negavol cycle" for those not familiar. It happened every year under CBJ. Late February through June= complaining we don't have enough commits and all hope is lost. June through October= we have way too many recruits with not enough stars and all hope is lost. October through February= kids are decommiting, relationships are ruined and all hope is lost. Rinse and repeat. Hope this helps and stop feeding the trolls.
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Accurate
 
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BruinVol said:
Surely that would be top 15 and more likely top 12
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Last year I think we were at 14th with 10 4* and 11 3*.

7-8 4* and 16 3*. Might come down to the 3*. Are they 87's or 83's come NSD.

Looking at 2016, UF signed 9 4* and 16 3* (25 total) good for 13th.
 
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Fowdep said:
I'm usually just a lurker but I wanted to take a chance to explain "Negavol cycle" for those not familiar. It happened every year under CBJ. Late February through June= complaining we don't have enough commits and all hope is lost. June through October= we have way too many recruits with not enough stars and all hope is lost. October through February= kids are decommiting, relationships are ruined and all hope is lost. Rinse and repeat. Hope this helps and stop feeding the trolls.
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so, there's still hope.
 
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2016 available spot "loophole"??

As this stuff is tough to figure out at times, how about this.

Oliver and Bruce blue shirts in 2015. They count toward 2016.

I don't recall exact dates on all this playing out with the issues both had. I thought around June/July of 2015.

I believe they had to be on scholarship by August as a BS.

What if they were dismissed before being put on scholarship? Do they still count forward? Or is that an open spot as its technically never been taken.

The obvious issue with this loophole possibility is one would think Butch would have filled this spot on NSD 2016. Probably don't say no to the 5*OT from NC and save the spot.
 
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