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BleedOrange91 said:
How so?
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Pretty much what Theshag said. We were attacked by a terrorist group that was based and trained in Afghanistan. We couldn't allow that to go unchecked. Iraq was a mistake even though we removed a ruthless dictator from power the bad didn't outweigh the good IMO.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
WOW! Talk about me jumping to conclusions. You either are trolling or are seriously messed up. EIther way I'm bowing out and I'll let you do your own damage.

You absolutely make no sense. That's so funny you call your self a Christian when you constantly bash Christians while making excuses for the atrocities that a huge portion of Muslims believe is not only OK but God's will. When I say I believe what my eyes tell me has nothing, zero to do with my faith. When I say I chose to believe what my eyes see, I say that I believe my eyes over what your biased publication/study says along with what the liberal media or what our Muslim president says about it. You keep on blaming Christians for everything and apologizing for the Muslim atrocities.
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I did not say what you are attributing to me. You are strawmanning me and I pity you and your narrow worldview.
 
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Something that doesn't get talked about enough is Pakistan harboring terrorist organizations as they went back and forth to Afghanistan/Pakistan. Also how they took part in training the group that committed the Mumbai attack
 
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BleedOrange91 said:
Iraq/Afghanistan invasion of 2003 was a complete mistake, inevitably creating what we are dealing with now
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What we're dealing with now is a mixed bag of nutcases. The big dog on the block globally speaking is ISIS. ISIS was created by two things. One, our withdraw from Iraq whether you agree on going there in the first place or not, and two, Obama's dumb Arab Spring instigation. If either one of those things didn't happen there would be no caliphate movement or ISIS. African Islamic terror outlets such as Boko Haram probably rank second in current activity. We sure as spit didn't cause that by going to war in Iraq or Afghanistan. Al Qaeda certainly used and still use those wars to attack and recruit, but those wars did not "create" them either. They killed almost 3000 in one day in New York City before we ever even acknowledged them as a real threat. Bill Clinton went out of his way to not kill Bin Laden when he could have multiple times because he didn't want to start trouble. Well, we got trouble anyways. Islamic terror was going on long before either war and not going to war was never going to stop the global spread of Islamic terror.

There is something to be said about not jumping into war and avoiding the whole democratic nation building thing as a matter of national interest, but let's not confuse that with Islamic terrorism itself, it's roots, or it's logical resistance going forward.
 
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When it comes to extremist Islamic leaders, we could have killed most of them before they got going.

You can't defeat an ideology. Which is why our time in the ME was counter-productive.
 
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BleedOrange91 said:
Something that doesn't get talked about enough is Pakistan harboring terrorist organizations as they went back and forth to Afghanistan/Pakistan. Also how they took part in training the group that committed the Mumbai attack
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Yes. Totally guilty. The thing with Pakistan is that they have nukes and live next to India. Plus they're supposed to be our "friends" and friendly members of their government promise to secretly cooperate with us and work against Islamic terror behind the scenes and at odds with many of their co-workers in exchange for silence from America in such cases. They're definitely on the you know what list in my book though. I mean, they had bin Laden living right beside a military base for crying out loud. You can't tell me no one in the Pakistani government knew about that.
 
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BleedOrange91 said:
When it comes to extremist Islamic leaders, we could have killed most of them before they got going.

You can't defeat an ideology. Which is why our time in the ME was counter-productive.
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Not really. Killing the leaders doesn't defeat the ideology, but it does kill the ideology's immediate capabilities which is most important, morale, and stability. I know for a fact that it matters when a guy like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is killed while in command on the battlefield. If Clinton killed bin Laden in the 90s there probably would not have been a successful 9/11 attack. Would that have stopped the ideology from existing somewhere henceforth? No. But it would have been nice to avoid that one specific evil SOB's plans nevertheless. You can't kill them all, but you can kill their bosses which is a nice consolation.
 
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There is quite the Crusading Jihad going on here...




Holy War : 2 words that should never go together

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So Corey Batey from Vandy is expecting 15-25 years for his rape case and the Stanford swimmer gets 6 months. Ummmm..... What am I missing?

SN: has this been discussed yet? Just wondering
 
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The Breakerboy said:
So Corey Batey from Vandy is expecting 15-25 years for his rape case and the Stanford swimmer gets 6 months. Ummmm..... What am I missing?

SN: has this been discussed yet? Just wondering
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Did you read what she wrote to that Stanford swimmer? She addressed him personally at the end of the trial and it was a very powerful message.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
So Corey Batey from Vandy is expecting 15-25 years for his rape case and the Stanford swimmer gets 6 months. Ummmm..... What am I missing?

SN: has this been discussed yet? Just wondering
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Corey is black and doesn't have a wealthy family hiring a high powered attorney to defend him or a sympathetic judge that buys the argument that this was just a case of a college boy drinking and not realizing that what he was doing any wrong. Sure the jury convicted the swimmer of three felony counts but it was all just a simple college mistake and the boy will be harmed by imprisonment so we can't have that (I wish I was making this up but that was the judge's reasoning for the sentence - he didn't want to cause harm to the rapist er college boy).

Honestly, it looks like another case of straight up 'affluenza.'
 
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Wickman said:
Did you read what she wrote to that Stanford swimmer? She addressed him personally at the end of the trial and it was a very powerful message.
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Everyone should take the time to read her statement. It's incredibly powerful. What amazed me is that she didn't want vengeance in the form of him rotting away in prison, she wanted justice and a simple acknowledgement of what happened - an apology from him. The prosecutor could've asked for 14 years but only asked for 6 (that is a very magnanimous sentencing request considering he'd have gotten out in three years or so). But the judge took a dump on justice.

She never got that apology and likely never will but she has made her voice heard loud and clear and has given a voice to many victims. I admire her strength, passion, and determination in the face of such a horrible act.
 
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UTProf said:
Everyone should take the time to read her statement. It's incredibly powerful. What amazed me is that she didn't want vengeance in the form of him rotting away in prison, she wanted justice and a simple acknowledgement of what happened - an apology from him. The prosecutor could've asked for 14 years but only asked for 6 (that is a very magnanimous sentencing request considering he'd have gotten out in three years or so). But the judge took a dump on justice.

She never got that apology and likely never will but she has made her voice heard loud and clear and has given a voice to many victims. I admire her strength, passion, and determination in the face of such a horrible act.
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Gotta link, Prof?

Edit: FOUND IT
 
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UTProf said:
Corey is black and doesn't have a wealthy family hiring a high powered attorney to defend him or a sympathetic judge that buys the argument that this was just a case of a college boy drinking and not realizing that what he was doing any wrong. Sure the jury convicted the swimmer of three felony counts but it was all just a simple college mistake and the boy will be harmed by imprisonment so we can't have that (I wish I was making this up but that was the judge's reasoning for the sentence - he didn't want to cause harm to the rapist er college boy).

Honestly, it looks like another case of straight up 'affluenza.'
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Then his dad wrote a letter saying that he thought 6 months was a steep punishment, as well as having to register as a sex offender, for "20 minutes of action over 20 years of his life". Are you serious? How sad!! I don't care if it was 2 minutes...rape is rape, and deserves maximum punishment! If you are drunk or high, you made the choice to put those substances in your body that put you in that state. It shouldn't be used as an excuse! You have to pay the consequences.
 
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UTProf said:
Corey is black and doesn't have a wealthy family hiring a high powered attorney to defend him or a sympathetic judge that buys the argument that this was just a case of a college boy drinking and not realizing that what he was doing any wrong. Sure the jury convicted the swimmer of three felony counts but it was all just a simple college mistake and the boy will be harmed by imprisonment so we can't have that (I wish I was making this up but that was the judge's reasoning for the sentence - he didn't want to cause harm to the rapist er college boy).

Honestly, it looks like another case of straight up 'affluenza.'
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Judge is a joke......
 
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I wonder if she is suing in civil court for damages. I know I would. That could be the reason that he's not accepted guilt because it could be used against him in a civil trial.
 
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UTProf said:
Corey is black and doesn't have a wealthy family hiring a high powered attorney to defend him or a sympathetic judge that buys the argument that this was just a case of a college boy drinking and not realizing that what he was doing any wrong. Sure the jury convicted the swimmer of three felony counts but it was all just a simple college mistake and the boy will be harmed by imprisonment so we can't have that (I wish I was making this up but that was the judge's reasoning for the sentence - he didn't want to cause harm to the rapist er college boy).

Honestly, it looks like another case of straight up 'affluenza.'
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Has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with wealth. Don't demean the atrocity by including race. Thanks
 
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The Breakerboy said:
So Corey Batey from Vandy is expecting 15-25 years for his rape case and the Stanford swimmer gets 6 months. Ummmm..... What am I missing?

SN: has this been discussed yet? Just wondering
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Stanford swimmer's sentence was too light.

But there is a major difference between the cases. Stanford swimmer is trashed and rapes a girl. Vanderbilt football players gang rape, sodomize, videotape, and urinate on a girl. They encourage others to participate. They send out the videos. Then they conspire to cover it up.

IMO, the Vanderbilt players deserve the maximum sentence (whatever that is). Their actions were despicable. Again, Stanford swimmer deserved more too.
 
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Kristy* said:
Stanford swimmer's sentence was too light.

But there is a major difference between the cases. Stanford swimmer is trashed and rapes a girl. Vanderbilt football players gang rape, sodomize, videotape, and urinate on a girl. They encourage others to participate. They send out the videos. Then they conspire to cover it up.

IMO, the Vanderbilt players deserve the maximum sentence (whatever that is). Their actions were despicable. Again, Stanford swimmer deserved more too.
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Thanks for always keeping it real Kristy.
 
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Kristy* said:
Stanford swimmer's sentence was too light.

But there is a major difference between the cases. Stanford swimmer is trashed and rapes a girl. Vanderbilt football players gang rape, sodomize, videotape, and urinate on a girl. They encourage others to participate. They send out the videos. Then they conspire to cover it up.

IMO, the Vanderbilt players deserve the maximum sentence (whatever that is). Their actions were despicable. Again, Stanford swimmer deserved more too.
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Furthermore, Brock did not have intercourse with the girl. He was kissing and groping. Terrible situation all around. I feel terrible for the victim, and I'm not defending his actions by any means, but he has been a great friend and most people don't have the correct information. All I'm saying. Mods, can this discussion please be moved to the off-topic thread. TIA
 
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