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csprig9 said:
Ali wasn't he greatest boxer ever and was far from being a person to look up to
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Ali is a top 10 boxer of all time. The man falls short of the legend. This is not an uncommon occurrence.

He was, however, The Greatest and likely the most charismatic athlete I've seen.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
I'll give you a bad relationship with his wife and kids. Maybe joe Frazier. All that other stuff was a sign of the times. That still doesn't take away from his legacy. Guy was a fighter. He stood for what he believed. Maybe they seemed extremist but the time that he was living was a time that called for extremism for a person of his background.

Edit* I said wife. Should have probably said wives.
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oh, no doubt about his in the ring legacy. He did a ton for the sport.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
He's still a draft dodger. Islam isn't exactly a religion of peace. Muslims have been fighting for centuries. It was a huge cop out imo.
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Maybe you missed the part where he said "no Viet Cong ever called me n*gger."

Ali chose to not fight in Vietnam because America wasn't fighting for him and other black people's right to freedom and equality.

He was anti-war for a multitude of reasons. Religion being one. But don't forget what America was like at that time and how it treated black folks.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
By that logic you could say the same for Muslim terrorists because they have the similar principles regarding killing as Christianity.
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No, they don't. The Bible is pretty clear that the militant side of Judaism was exclusively for the nation of Israel during a finite time before Jesus and not an indefinite license.
 
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SSVol said:
The New Testament most certainly doesn't endorse killing for the faith. Pretty sure the Koran does.
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It doesn't. In fact the Koran says that killing one person is on the same level as genocide. The reason everyone thinks what you typed is because of the extremists. They unfortunately have placed the perception of Islam as a 'jihadist' religion. But Islam does not have any teachings that recommend violence in any way.
 
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I'm pretty sure I'm a Christian. I, however, have real problems with blanket statements that describe the behavior of otherwise disparate groups of people.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
Because that too would be a cop out. When your country comes knocking because they need you, you answer the door. Not run and hide. That's cowardly.
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How old are you? Either you're 12 and don't know any history. Or you're 70 and still holding a grudge against Ali.

Ali explained his opposition to the war clearly. Go and look it up. He didn't oppose it to run away from battle as you're trying to imply. The man is one of the most courageous people in history. The fact he was so bold in his fight against injustice in the 1960s made him unbelievably brave.

Ali opposed the war because America was not living up to it's word for black people in this country. He said it many times. "The Viet-Cong are not my oppresor. You (America) are my oppressor." He recounts a story that after winning the Olympic gold medal in 1960, he went to a restaurant in downtown Louisville and was denied service. He said "how can I fight for my country abroad when it won't fight for me at home?"

Please educate yourself about the man. Ali is one of the bravest and inspirational figures in modern history. A man who we could all strive to be like.
 
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SSVol said:
The New Testament most certainly doesn't endorse killing for the faith. Pretty sure the Koran does.
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Concur. You can find countless justifications for killing in the Koran and hadiths. People on here don't read much or know much about comparative religion.
 
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It is always cracks me up when people compare modern Christianity to modern Islam in terms of advocating violence and then use the Crusdaes as an example. I'm not even really a christian and that's stupid.
 
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Wickman said:
Sure, let's overlook the fact he was a racist, a piece of sh** to women, didn't even acknowledge some of his children, and tried to ruin Joe Frasier after he went way out his way to help Ali. Other than that he's a great guy.
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First of all, on the point of treatment to women or his children, I don't know if what you're saying is true or not. But even if it's true, no one is arguing he was a perfect human. He obviously had flaws like everyone else.

Ali is universally loved and praised for what he stood for. And racist is definitely not it. Yes he went through a phase in the 1960s where he was militant in his fight for civil rights for African-Americans. But the man was no racist. He was trying to uplift his people that were still subject to unbelievable oppression at that time.

If you're hanging on to statements that Ali made while he was a member of the Nation of Islam in the 1960s just remember he ended up rejecting the teaching of the Nation of Islam (like Malcolm X might I add) and converted to mainstream Sunni Islam.

Racist is the farthest thing from Ali. He was a man who fought for oppressed people around the globe at a time of extreme racism. Kind of rich to try and turn the tables on him now.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
How old are you? Either you're 12 and don't know any history. Or you're 70 and still holding a grudge against Ali.

Ali explained his opposition to the war clearly. Go and look it up. He didn't oppose it to run away from battle as you're trying to imply. The man is one of the most courageous people in history. The fact he was so bold in his fight against injustice in the 1960s made him unbelievably brave.

Ali opposed the war because America was not living up to it's word for black people in this country. He said it many times. "The Viet-Cong are not my oppresor. You (America) are my oppressor." He recounts a story that after winning the Olympic gold medal in 1960, he went to a restaurant in downtown Louisville and was denied service. He said how can I fight for my country abroad when it won't fight for me At home?

Please educate yourself about the man. Ali is one of the bravest and inspirational figures in modern history. A man who we could all strive to be like.
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Wrong and wrong. Pretty typical of you though. I'm 35. I guess his courage is what made him such a great family man too. Abandoning wives and children is hardly inspirational and not at all what I strive to be like. He did do some inspirational things and was an amazing athlete, but he did a lot of the opposite as well. Maybe you should educate yourself first before calling me out sir. :hi:
 
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vol2002 said:
Concur. You can find countless justifications for killing in the Koran and hadiths. People on here don't read much or know much about comparative religion.
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neither the Koran nor the hadiths advocate violence in any way.

Edit* they do advocate violence when the act is to stop or prevent violence. I can't say I know a whole lot about Islam other than that it is wildly misinterpreted
 
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utvols88 said:
So racism is OK if you've experienced racism? Seems counter productive
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No one said its ok. Its just UNDERSTANDABLE.

What made Martin Luther King exceptional is because it's really tough to love your enemy. Most people hate their oppressor. And Muhammad Ali hated oppresion.

I can't believe this is too hard to understand. Ali didn't say what he said out of hate. He said what he said out of love for his people. He wanted black people to be treated fairly.

And once America started changing it's tune and treating his people to fairness he in turn also changed his views.

The Ali of the 1980s and beyond held different views from the Ali of the 1960s. Just as the America of the 1980s and beyond was different from the America of the 1960s.

The man had a heart of gold. He's definitely not what you are trying to make him out to be.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
It doesn't. In fact the Koran says that killing one person is on the same level as genocide. The reason everyone thinks what you typed is because of the extremists. They unfortunately have placed the perception of Islam as a 'jihadist' religion. But Islam does not have any teachings that recommend violence in any way.
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Need more likes.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
Wrong and wrong. Pretty typical of you though. I'm 35. I guess his courage is what made him such a great family man too. Abandoning wives and children is hardly inspirational and not at all what I strive to be like. He did do some inspirational things and was an amazing athlete, but he did a lot of the opposite as well. Maybe you should educate yourself first before calling me out sir. :hi:
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No one has said he's perfect. If he had problems in his personal life then so be it. I don't know if what you're saying is true. But I'll just take your word.

In the end it doesn't change my admiration and respect for the man. He stood up to racism and injustice at a time when it was hard. He obviously had flaws. No man is perfect. But nothing you say will take away from his greatness.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No one said its ok. Its just UNDERSTANDABLE.

What made Martin Luther King exceptional is because it's really tough to love your enemy. Most people hate their oppressor. And Muhammad Ali hated oppresion.

I can't believe this is too hard to understand. Ali didn't say what he said out of hate. He said what he said out of love for his people. He wanted black people to be treated fairly.

And once America started changing it's tune and treating his people to fairness he in turn also changed his views.

The Ali of the 1980s and beyond held different views from the Ali of the 1960s. Just as the America of the 1980s and beyond was different from the America of the 1960s.

The man had a heart of gold. He's definitely not what you are trying to make him out to be.
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Couldn't agree more. Glad someone understands his growth. Well said.
 
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