Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

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HialeahGator said:
A racist? He viewed America as it viewed him during Jim Crow and segregation. Ali in his 20&30s wasn't Ali at 50 +.

Everyone is racist to some extent. Especially people who lived in that era.
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I'll agree with that, but I've never heard anything good about how he treated people on an individual level. Very much full of himself and walked all over everyone around him. I don't have any proof other than what I've read, but I've certainly never read anything nice about him other than his giving money and time to humanitarian causes, which isn't too impressive to me for a celebrity.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
It was bad. But you got to factor in the ongoing problems with agent orange. it is amazing and terrible what that sh** is still doing today.
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I wish I could get some for my flower bed. I cannot keep the Bermuda and weeds out of it no matter what I do.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
Because that too would be a cop out. When your country comes knocking because they need you, you answer the door. Not run and hide. That's cowardly.
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Ali applied to US AG to have his citizenship renounced but it was denied. The government approved over 10,000+ others who applied during the Vietnam War.


The government wanted to make an example out of Ali for his ties to NOI and Malcolm X. Its a reason the Supreme Court overturned that conviction.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
Dude, where are you getting this?
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On ostracizing his children/Cheating on multiple wives

Muhammad Ali's tangled love life leaves troubled legacy 

Scroll a little ways down here. Even Martin Luther King said Ali was exactly what he was fighting against

Muhammad Ali ? The most famous racist to ever box -OR- Criticizing Ali is racism | Box statistics, analysis of boxing history records, stats of boxing eras

On how he wronged Joe Frazier

Joe Frazier hated Muhammad Ali - New York Boxing Blog- ESPN
 
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jave36 said:
I wish I could get some for my flower bed. I cannot keep the Bermuda and weeds out of it no matter what I do.
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Well the repercussions of getting a little bit in it in your system, not to mention that you wouldn't be able to buy it anywhere, would make you think otherwise.
 
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HialeahGator said:
Ali applied to US AG to have his citizenship renounced but it was denied. The government approved over 10,000+ others who applied during the Vietnam War.


The government wanted to make an example out of Ali for his ties to NOI and Malcolm X. Its a reason the Supreme Court overturned that conviction.
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They should have approved it, then sent him packing for being a POS. That didn't do anything for your argument of him being a great person. Definitely not a great American.
 
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HialeahGator said:
A racist? He viewed America as it viewed him during Jim Crow and segregation. Ali in his 20&30s wasn't Ali at 50 +.

Everyone is racist to some extent. Especially people who lived in that era.
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When Martin Luther King Jr. is quoted saying Ali is the exact segregation that he is fighting, then that's more that just trying to better African Americans.

I understand the culture back then, but that's like backing a rapist because they were raped.
 
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Wickman said:
On ostracizing his children/Cheating on multiple wives

Muhammad Ali's tangled love life leaves troubled legacyÂ*

Scroll a little ways down here. Even Martin Luther King said Ali was exactly what he was fighting against

Muhammad Ali ? The most famous racist to ever box -OR- Criticizing Ali is racism | Box statistics, analysis of boxing history records, stats of boxing eras

On how he wronged Joe Frazier

Joe Frazier hated Muhammad Ali - New York Boxing Blog- ESPN
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Sorry but those sources seem a little bogus. Your middle one says the clan would admire him for his take on interracial marriage? What?
 
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jlindsa4 said:
Sorry but those sources seem a little bogus. Your middle one says the clan would admire him for his take on interracial marriage? What?
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Just read the quotes Ali said himself and make your own judgement. I didn't really care for the guy's approach but the actual quotes are what matters.
 
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Wickman said:
Just read the quotes Ali said himself and make your own judgement. I didn't really care for the guy's approach but the actual quotes are what matters.
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I'll give you a bad relationship with his wife and kids. Maybe joe Frazier. All that other stuff was a sign of the times. That still doesn't take away from his legacy. Guy was a fighter. He stood for what he believed. Maybe they seemed extremist but the time that he was living was a time that called for extremism for a person of his background.

Edit* I said wife. Should have probably said wives.
 
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HialeahGator said:
But Christianity is a peaceful religion? That's rich.
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At its core, it is. Really hard to read the New Testament and conclude Christians are called to wage violent, global jihad. Probably why we don't see many (any?) global Christian terrorist organizations.
 
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5FingerVolPunch said:
They should have approved it, then sent him packing for being a POS. That didn't do anything for your argument of him being a great person. Definitely not a great American.
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His work in later years made him a great person. I can't fault him for his views or actions during the 60s. None of his actions harmed a single American. Dr. King's way about things was the correct road to travel even though it cost him his life. Ali stood for the same principles of equality. He just went about it in a way that pissed off white America. Seems some here are still feeling a certain type of way about his legacy. Anyone who is viewed as an Icon has skeletons and demons.
 
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vol2002 said:
At its core, it is. Really hard to read the New Testament and conclude Christians are called to wage violent, global jihad. Probably why we don't see many (any?) global Christian terrorist organizations.
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Are you serious? Do you know about the dark ages? The crusades?
 
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vol2002 said:
At its core, it is. Really hard to read the New Testament and conclude Christians are called to wage violent, global jihad. Probably why we don't see many (any?) global Christian terrorist organizations.
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I can name countless wars fought in the name Christianity. Lets not act if violence in the name of the Lord is above us good Christian folks.
 
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JacketVol said:
No greater love has a man than to lay down his life for his friend. Maybe you should check out what Jesus said about being a Christian and not just read about the Crusades.
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Okay, so the Spanish Inquisition, William the conqueror, and that guy that killed a bunch of Muslim kids at a summer camp in Norway are killing for their friends??
 
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jave36 said:
Actions aren't Christian just because someone says they are. The Bible decides what is actually Christian, not people who commit acts in the name of Christianity.
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They were killing in the name of Christianity though. It doesn't matter if they were viewed as Christian or not.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
Okay, so the Spanish Inquisition, William the conqueror, and that guy that killed a bunch of Muslim kids at a summer camp in Norway are killing for their friends??
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Don't think they were acting the way Jesus told them to do. Just calling yourself a Christian doesn't mean you know Christ. Also said that he will say depart from me , I never knew you to those who said but we did great things in your name. Read the entire New Testament for yourself and then tell me if Jesus advocated violence. Until you do that and decide for yourself instead of what me or others have told you, then you have no real or true knowledge or convictions of things. Your just regurgitating what others have fed you.
 
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JacketVol said:
Don't think they were acting the way Jesus told them to do. Just calling yourself a Christian doesn't mean you know Christ. Also said that he will say depart from me , I never knew you to those who said but we did great things in your name. Read the entire New Testament for yourself and then tell me if Jesus advocated violence. Until you do that and decide for yourself instead of what me or others have told you, then you have no real or true knowledge or convictions of things. Your just regurgitating what others have fed you.
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By that logic you could say the same for Muslim terrorists because they have the similar principles regarding killing as Christianity.
 
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