Florida streak (split)

[KBVol]

FL the last couple of years has been the inverse of "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" Great athletes who have collectively underachieved as a team.

That Florida team last year had zip, zero, zilch, nada ANY business whatsoever winning 10 games and representing the east in the SECCG IMHO. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY thought they'd do much of anything better than 6-6 and squeaking into a bowl game. They had a handful of studs on defense and a ton a questions with virtually no answers on offense under a first year coach and staff. Horse face did a masterful job last year overachieving on a grand scale with that team. So now, in year two, with a good recruiting class (247 and Rivals has it on par with ours) coming in and a second year to implement his system, I don't understand why people don't think they're not gonna be a better team. I hope to hell they suck out loud and we beat em 65-0 (no offense 99, Law and HG), but they were severely underestimated last year and I think anyone who chooses to underestimate them again this year would be foolish to do so. Jmo.

 

[Nasavol]

Name an offensive player for Florida in the last 3 seasons that you thought was a great athlete/football player.

Taylor, Grier, Calloway to start off of last years team.

 

[Mika]

Florida has a couple questions on defense, and to be truthful they may take a step backwards. But their offense will definitely improve, despite none of the players save Callaway are established.

Edit: this years game is definitely anybody's game, with UT having the advantage. So I won't be surprised to see either team win. But I'm not expecting a pushover game for either team.

 

[KBVol]

Taylor, Grier, Calloway to start off of last years team.

6th round draft pick and SEC's 10th leading rusher......Redshirt Freshman who battled and struggled to beat out Treon Harris....true freshman who caught 35 passes.

That's who you thought was "great"? I'll give you solid to very good....but great? Nah.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Taylor, Grier, Calloway to start off of last years team.

:lolabove:

You just made 99's point for him.

 

[HialeahGator]

FL the last couple of years has been the inverse of "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" Great athletes who have collectively underachieved as a team.

Muschamp syndrome.

 

[Reefa_Madness]

Muschamp syndrome.

Which begs the question...just what was S Carolina thinking when they hired him one rather uninspiring year at Auburn removed from Florida?

 

[ETV]

Butch should reach out to GSU about a coaching/satellite camp. Could use the pointers in beating UF...obviously.

Touché.

 

[KBVol]

Butch should reach out to GSU about a coaching/satellite camp. Could use the pointers in beating UF...obviously.

And a bonus would be that GSU beat Florida without completing a single forward pass......something that Jones would undoubtedly be very interested in.

 

[jakez4ut]

Do the Vols rebound IF they lose to UF this year with all the hype going into season?

if last year is any indicator...yes, eventually. losing this year with that being the 1st of the 4 game gauntlet could be bad. i think winning it this year, with UGA up next (usually we have a cream puff scheduled in between), then aTm on the road, and Bama....getting off to a good start is paramount i think. a confidence breaker in the FL game.....that could be bad.

:lolabove:

I don't know. I really can't judge.

I don't know what it's like to lose 11 consecutive seasons to the same team.

I've got to believe that if that did happen, it might be on my mind before the upcoming season. Particularly if it were Georgia or Florida State.

I don't think there would be a Gator fan out there....after having lost 11 in a row to Georgia.....who would say...."it's actually kind of sad to see how obsessed some Gator fans are with Georgia".

I know I'm on the other end of this deal, but I believe the opposite here. If you are not obsessed with the streak, something is wrong.

JMO

well, here's the deal, we're very experienced at being on the other end of these kinds of streaks. i was born in the middle of an 11 game losing streak to Bama, was a toddler during a 8 or 9 game losing streak, formative years in to college during another 9 game losing streak.....then we went on some runs of our own against Bama and UGA.

and now we're back to 9 game losing streak to Bama and 11 to FL....at the same time.

but for this thing to truly turn around, somethings gotta give, and i think this year, at home, the roster, the whole aura around this team, i think finally pays off and we beat FL and then we get to find out if this can be a special year or not.

it's been interesting to hear some of the FL perspective, and the one thing i did learn from reading thru some of your posts, is that while there is some trepidation on both sides, i think for the first time in a while, we have less question marks than you do. the big one for us is the passing game improvement.

but for FL, while there is talent, a lot of it is unproven. and you need these guys to have the right answers more times than not.

arguing which groups are more talented or deep or fastest etc...is really kind of pointless.

i think experience matters, and we have it. i think our game in September will be a lot like last year's, i think both defenses will be ready to play. i think special teams will be huge.

and someone from Tennessee is going to have make a play or two to win the damn game.

i'll be shocked, and pleasantly surprised, if we blow FL out.

 

[kclout]

if last year is any indicator...yes, eventually. losing this year with that being the 1st of the 4 game gauntlet could be bad. i think winning it this year, with UGA up next (usually we have a cream puff scheduled in between), then aTm on the road, and Bama....getting off to a good start is paramount i think. a confidence breaker in the FL game.....that could be bad.


:lolabove:


well, here's the deal, we're very experienced at being on the other end of these kinds of streaks. i was born in the middle of an 11 game losing streak to Bama, was a toddler during a 8 or 9 game losing streak, formative years in to college during another 9 game losing streak.....then we went on some runs of our own against Bama and UGA.

and now we're back to 9 game losing streak to Bama and 11 to FL....at the same time.

but for this thing to truly turn around, somethings gotta give, and i think this year, at home, the roster, the whole aura around this team, i think finally pays off and we beat FL and then we get to find out if this can be a special year or not.

it's been interesting to hear some of the FL perspective, and the one thing i did learn from reading thru some of your posts, is that while there is some trepidation on both sides, i think for the first time in a while, we have less question marks than you do. the big one for us is the passing game improvement.

but for FL, while there is talent, a lot of it is unproven. and you need these guys to have the right answers more times than not.

arguing which groups are more talented or deep or fastest etc...is really kind of pointless.

i think experience matters, and we have it. i think our game in September will be a lot like last year's, i think both defenses will be ready to play. i think special teams will be huge.

and someone from Tennessee is going to have make a play or two to win the damn game.

i'll be shocked, and pleasantly surprised, if we blow FL out.

Truly will come down to the trenches, your ability to run the ball and our inability to not run as effective. Tenn proved they can run the ball on our D that was better last year. Though UF's offense line has some improvement it pales relative to your D-line improvement.

Can you just promise you'll beat Bama?

 

[99gator]

This discussion spoke of talent earlier. Keep in mind Coach Mac has been at Florida for about a year and a half now.

Here are the Muschamp signees left on the offensive side of the ball.

No QB
No RB
WR- Ahmad Fulwood, CJ Worton, Alvin Bailey, Chris Thompson
OL- Cam Dillard, David Sharpe, Andrew Mike, Kavaris Harkless
TE- DeAndre Goolsby, Moral Stephens, C'yontai Lewis

Players at positions they were not recruited for....
Treon Harris (WR)
Brandon Powell (WR)
Antonio Riles (OL)

That's it. That's the treasure chest of awesome that was left for Mac.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This discussion spoke of talent earlier. Keep in mind Coach Mac has been at Florida for about a year and a half now.

Here are the Muschamp signees left on the offensive side of the ball.

No QB
No RB
WR- Ahmad Fulwood, CJ Worton, Alvin Bailey, Chris Thompson
OL- Cam Dillard, David Sharpe, Andrew Mike, Kavaris Harkless
TE- DeAndre Goolsby, Moral Stephens, C'yontai Lewis

Players at positions they were not recruited for....
Treon Harris (WR)
Brandon Powell (WR)
Antonio Riles (OL)

That's it. That's the treasure chest of awesome that was left for Mac.

He just had 7 players drafted (tied with Alabama for most in the SEC). That's a treasure chest compared to everyone else in the SEC.

 

[UTK]

He just had 7 players drafted (tied with Alabama for most in the SEC). That's a treasure chest compared to everyone else in the SEC.

Dude it doesn't matter. Even if UF has had more "talent" than UT the past two seasons, they still lost to teams they surely had more "talent" than or barely beat teams they had more "talent" than. UF had no buisness beating us the past two seasons no matter how you draw it up. UT just chokes when it comes to UF. Its that simple.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dude it doesn't matter. Even if UF has had more "talent" than UT the past two seasons, they still lost to teams they surely had more "talent" than or barely beat teams they had more "talent" than. UF had no buisness beating us the past two seasons no matter how you draw it up. UT just chokes when it comes to UF. Its that simple.

So because they play down to some opponents but not us means they had no business beating us?

Maybe they just take us more seriously than similarly situated teams?

I just find it hard to expect us to beat a team that had top 5 recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013 while we were outside the top 20 and had 15 players drafted in the last 2 years while we've had NONE.

Those are facts.

Yes Florida lost to bad teams during that stretch. But the fact one of those bad teams to luckily beat them wasn't UT doesn't make it a scenario where we should've beat them.

 

[99gator]

So because they play down to some opponents but not us means they had no business beating us?

Maybe they just take us more seriously than similarly situated teams?

I just find it hard to expect us to beat a team that had top 5 recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013 while we were outside the top 20 and had 15 players drafted in the last 2 years while we've had NONE.

Those are facts.

Yes Florida lost to bad teams during that stretch. But the fact one of those bad teams to luckily beat them wasn't UT doesn't make it a scenario where we should've beat them.

The problem with your talent argument is you are strictly looking at the NFL draft.

Jeff Driskel was just drafted. Who do you think I'd rather see playing QB for Florida, Jeff Driskel or Chris Leak?

That's just one example

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

So because they play down to some opponents but not us means they had no business beating us?

Maybe they just take us more seriously than similarly situated teams?

I just find it hard to expect us to beat a team that had top 5 recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013 while we were outside the top 20 and had 15 players drafted in the last 2 years while we've had NONE.

Those are facts.

Yes Florida lost to bad teams during that stretch. But the fact one of those bad teams to luckily beat them wasn't UT doesn't make it a scenario where we should've beat them.

I don't care how you spin it, but a team that loses to South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Georgia Southern in the same year while going 4-8 had no business beating us.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I don't care how you spin it, but a team that loses to South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Georgia Southern in the same year while going 4-8 had no business beating us.

And if I remember correctly we went 5-7 that year.

Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.

A 5-7 team has no right to expect wins over a 4-8 team.

When 2 bad teams meet, someone has to win. Thats what happened that year.

 

[jakez4ut]

This discussion spoke of talent earlier. Keep in mind Coach Mac has been at Florida for about a year and a half now.

Here are the Muschamp signees left on the offensive side of the ball.

No QB
No RB
WR- Ahmad Fulwood, CJ Worton, Alvin Bailey, Chris Thompson
OL- Cam Dillard, David Sharpe, Andrew Mike, Kavaris Harkless
TE- DeAndre Goolsby, Moral Stephens, C'yontai Lewis

Players at positions they were not recruited for....
Treon Harris (WR)
Brandon Powell (WR)
Antonio Riles (OL)

That's it. That's the treasure chest of awesome that was left for Mac.

CBJ was in the same boat, if not worse, in 2013, except he wasn't left an all world defense to carry the team. offensively 'champ didn't do you any favors. but he left you a defense capable of getting you to the SECCG.

so you got that going for ya.

 

[jakez4ut]

Truly will come down to the trenches, your ability to run the ball and our inability to not run as effective. Tenn proved they can run the ball on our D that was better last year. Though UF's offense line has some improvement it pales relative to your D-line improvement.

Can you just promise you'll beat Bama?

agree about the trenches, and i have to believe that we will be able to run the ball against most anyone on the schedule. the key will be our passing game, can we make defenses at least respect the passing game....if we can, look out, if we can't, i expect team 120 to look a lot like team 119.

 

[jakez4ut]

He just had 7 players drafted (tied with Alabama for most in the SEC). That's a treasure chest compared to everyone else in the SEC.

just stop. "he" didn't have any players drafted. Muchamp's defense did. the offense was terrible.

 

[KBVol]

So because they play down to some opponents but not us means they had no business beating us?

Maybe they just take us more seriously than similarly situated teams?

I just find it hard to expect us to beat a team that had top 5 recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013 while we were outside the top 20 and had 15 players drafted in the last 2 years while we've had NONE.

Those are facts.

Yes Florida lost to bad teams during that stretch. But the fact one of those bad teams to luckily beat them wasn't UT doesn't make it a scenario where we should've beat them.

See, your primary "look who got drafted" argument is easily shot down, and has been many times, you just refuse to acknowledge it. As 99 said, Jeff "freaking" Driskel was just drafted....you know, the Florida QB who 2 years ago in Neyland threw picks deep in his own territory and finished with 59 yards passing and an 8.4 QBR.....the same guy who transferred out of the SEC to Louisiana Tech..... HE was drafted last month and HE was easily the worst player on the field that day. And despite a two-score lead at home, going into the 4th quarter vs a very average Gators team with a backup QB that ain't ever getting drafted, Tennessee still lost.

Do I have to also recount the facts of last year's blown 2 score lead in the 4th quarter vs Gators team with a RS freshman, a MASH unit OL and a first year head coach/staff?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The problem with your talent argument is you are strictly looking at the NFL draft.

Jeff Driskel was just drafted. Who do you think I'd rather see playing QB for Florida, Jeff Driskel or Chris Leak?

That's just one example

First of all, Jeff Driskel doesn't count toward the Florida players drafted this year. He did finish his playing career at La-Tech.

And even though he was terrible at Florida, he was great this past season at La-Tech (if anything this speaks to how bad a coach Muschamp was). And it's because of that great season and his physical tools that he got drafted.

If he played as badly as he did at Florida it's unlikely he would've been drafted. He was drafted because he balled out at La-Tech.

 

[KBVol]

First of all, Jeff Driskel doesn't count toward the Florida players drafted this year. He did finish his playing career at La-Tech.

And even though he was terrible at Florida, he was great this past season at La-Tech. And it's because of that great season and his physical tools that he got drafted.

If he played as badly as he did at Florida it's unlikely he would've been drafted. He was drafted because he balled out at La-Tech.

Lol! Not your best effort. Actually, perhaps your lamest post in quite some time. You have no credibility whatsoever after this one.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't care how you spin it, but a team that loses to South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Georgia Southern in the same year while going 4-8 had no business beating us.

or we had not business losing to, said another way....:thumbsup: