Florida streak (split)

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norrislakevol said:
How about we combine both HG?




WR/TE. If Callaway is back then I'd say it's even. If he isn't then Tennessee has the edge. Even if Callaway is back I'd still take Tennessee's WR's/TE's. A healthy Preston Williams has the ability to dominate if given the chance. Malone and Jennings are highly talented and highly rated WR's. Wolf is better than any TE you have.


DB. This is probably the fastest Secondary that Tennessee has ever had. Blazing speed everywhere even with the 2nd teamers and loads of talent from great recruiting. Gauldin is a super star in the making at safety, Todd Kelly has a great nose for the ball, and Sutton is a great corner and dynamic with the ball in his hands.
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WR is even if you are only ooking at your two 5* WR and adding Jennings ranking as a.QB/ATH. No service ranked him as a WR. Anyway, Callaway has produced better than anyone on your roster. Powell has better numbers as well. You have the edge in measurables and ranking. Tyrie Cleveland is a talented and highly rated as any WR Vols have or coming in. Swain and Hammond are EEs and have good speed. Both are Top 150 kids. UF has recruited well at WR last two cycles. 3 other Top 250 WR still on roster so talent is there. As for TE- Wolf looks the part and may have been rated higher but Goolsby has produced close numbers as a backup to a 2nd Team ALL SEC TE. Wolf 22-291-2 Goolsby 19-277-1. Add in C'yontia Lewis 4-75-2 and depth at position. UF has the edge at TE imo.


DB- I guess when you can't use production or ranking. Go with speed. Tabor will probably be the first DB taken. Nuff said. Q Wilson is a stud. Maye, Nick Washington and Marcell Harris have edge in production and ranking. Maye maybe the most talented S in SEC not named Jamal Adams. If Vols have any edge, it's experienced depth at CB. Chancey Gardner is the next great UF DB. Big, physical and fast.

ST- I'll give Vols the edge easily at K and KR. Berry is unreal. I can't say either way at P and PR based on numbers. Townsend was 2nd TEAM All SEC avg 45.5 per. Callaway and Sutton were pretty even as well. Sutton 25-467-2. Callaway 27-435-2
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Florida has juniors and seniors that flooded the draft.

Butch coached terribly no doubt. But we still played a formidable opponent. Remember they blew out #3 Ole Miss the next week 38-10.
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And you should recall that Florida barely beat both East Carolina (31-24) and Kentucky (14-9), a team we demolished 52-21, the two prior weeks to playing Tennessee. Hardly "formidable" or much of anything else, until yet another win vs Tennessee gave them confidence to beat a team like Ole Miss who could be very up and down. Beat Alabama one week and lose to Florida and Memphis the next.
 
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KBVol said:
And you should recall that Florida barely beat both East Carolina (31-24) and Kentucky (14-9), a team we demolished 52-21, the two prior weeks to playing Tennessee. Hardly "formidable" or much of anything else, until yet another win vs Tennessee gave them confidence to beat a team like Ole Miss who could be very up and down. Beat Alabama one week and lose to Florida and Memphis the next.
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Florida gets up or down based on the opponent. They are a very immature team. Like you I saw those games against East Carolina and Kentucky and thought we would make easy work of them. They then turn around beat us and demolish Ole Miss.

Later in the year they struggle with Florida Atlantic and Vanderbilt so people think Alabama will demolish them in the SEC championship game. But once again Florida plays up to their competition and gives Alabama a tough battle.

Florida was simply an immature team that played up or down based on the competition. They are not some untalented team that got lucky against us. They were as talented.
 
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Spin it anyway you like, but if we lose to Florida this year, nothing else matters. There is absolutely no reason in the world for us to lose this game. The entire season sets up perfectly for us. The East is littered with teams who are rebuilding. We are a veteran team with a great schedule. Now or never Butch.
 
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volgrad500 said:
Spin it anyway you like, but if we lose to Florida this year, nothing else matters. There is absolutely no reason in the world for us to lose this game. The entire season sets up perfectly for us. The East is littered with teams who are rebuilding. We are a veteran team with a great schedule. Now or never Butch.
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We said the same thing in 1997 with Mainning at QB and UF still beat the Vols.

Then in 1998 with a new QB and a young but talented team the Vols beat the Gators, and that Gator team was experienced, deep and talented like few others. So my point is clear, it's hard to predict what will happen on Saturdays in the fall. Victories over the Gators are rare for the Vols, so even if the Vols don't beat the Gators this season, they stil could go on to win the East and the SEC Championship game just like the 1997 Vols!
 
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volgrad500 said:
Spin it anyway you like, but if we lose to Florida this year, nothing else matters. There is absolutely no reason in the world for us to lose this game. The entire season sets up perfectly for us. The East is littered with teams who are rebuilding. We are a veteran team with a great schedule. Now or never Butch.
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What matters is getting to Tampa and playing for a National Championship. The Florida game is just one of many that matters. The history matters, the hype matters, the twitter trash talk matters, their coach saying Florida just don't lose to Tn matters, it all matters. I'm thinking it matters to our team enough that they will put in the work to give us the best opportunity to win a NC. The Florida game will be HUGE just like Bama, A&M, GA, VT.

It all matters.

Jump higher Vols.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
What matters is getting to Tampa and playing for a National Championship. The Florida game is just one of many that matters. The history matters, the hype matters, the twitter trash talk matters, their coach saying Florida just don't lose to Tn matters, it all matters. I'm thinking it matters to our team enough that they will put in the work to give us the best opportunity to win a NC. The Florida game will be HUGE just like Bama, A&M, GA, VT.

It all matters.

Jump higher Vols.
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I would love to see it, but that is a very unrealistic goal with the schedule that UT plays. If the Vols can manage to go 11-1 or 12-0 in the regular season, they still must get past the winner of the West which is even more unlikely.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Florida gets up or down based on the opponent. They are a very immature team. Like you I saw those games against East Carolina and Kentucky and thought we would make easy work of them. They then turn around beat us and demolish Ole Miss.

Later in the year they struggle with Florida Atlantic and Vanderbilt so people think Alabama will demolish them in the SEC championship game. But once again Florida plays up to their competition and gives Alabama a tough battle.

Florida was simply an immature team that played up or down based on the competition. They are not some untalented team that got lucky against us. They were as talented.
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Florida gave Alabama a "tough battle" in the SECCG last year? Haha....you sure? The score was not indicative of how that game played out.....

First downs: Fla- 7 Bama- 25
Rushing yards: Fla- 15 Bama- 233
Total yards- Fla- 180 Bama- 437

The OleMiss win was the outlier last year. Florida struggled vs a lot of bad teams and, with the exception of OleMiss, Georgia and LSU got manhandled vs at least half the better teams on their schedule, Bama, Florida State and Michigan.
 
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gunner said:
I would love to see it, but that is a very unrealistic goal with the schedule that UT plays. If the Vols can manage to go 11-1 or 12-0 in the regular season, they still must get past the winner of the West which is even more unlikely.
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From what I've heard, I think that's the plan, going back to Tampa and playing for a NC. There are several ways to achieve that plan:

1)Steamroll their way to a NC.
2)Backdoor with help.
3)Grind out wins with a relentless defense.

The pieces are in place for this season to be special.

Jump higher Vols.
 
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HialeahGator said:
WR is even if you are only ooking at your two 5* WR and adding Jennings ranking as a.QB/ATH. No service ranked him as a WR. Anyway, Callaway has produced better than anyone on your roster. Powell has better numbers as well. You have the edge in measurables and ranking. Tyrie Cleveland is a talented and highly rated as any WR Vols have or coming in. Swain and Hammond are EEs and have good speed. Both are Top 150 kids. UF has recruited well at WR last two cycles. 3 other Top 250 WR still on roster so talent is there. As for TE- Wolf looks the part and may have been rated higher but Goolsby has produced close numbers as a backup to a 2nd Team ALL SEC TE. Wolf 22-291-2 Goolsby 19-277-1. Add in C'yontia Lewis 4-75-2 and depth at position. UF has the edge at TE imo.


DB- I guess when you can't use production or ranking. Go with speed. Tabor will probably be the first DB taken. Nuff said. Q Wilson is a stud. Maye, Nick Washington and Marcell Harris have edge in production and ranking. Maye maybe the most talented S in SEC not named Jamal Adams. If Vols have any edge, it's experienced depth at CB. Chancey Gardner is the next great UF DB. Big, physical and fast.

ST- I'll give Vols the edge easily at K and KR. Berry is unreal. I can't say either way at P and PR based on numbers. Townsend was 2nd TEAM All SEC avg 45.5 per. Callaway and Sutton were pretty even as well. Sutton 25-467-2. Callaway 27-435-2
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I admit, I cringed when I saw that Cleveland had flipped to the Gators. He has the talent to be a go-to guy. If we are talking about newcomers, Byrd and Tennessee's Callaway are high four star players at WR.

At DB top 100 player Nigel Warrior looks like a future star at safety.

As I said earlier, there is no position group that I would trade out with the Gators.
 
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KBVol said:
Florida gave Alabama a "tough battle" in the SECCG last year? Haha....you sure? The score was not indicative of how that game played out.....

First downs: Fla- 7 Bama- 25
Rushing yards: Fla- 15 Bama- 233
Total yards- Fla- 180 Bama- 437

The OleMiss win was the outlier last year. Florida struggled vs a lot of bad teams and, with the exception of OleMiss, Georgia and LSU got manhandled vs at least half the better teams on their schedule, Bama, Florida State and Michigan.
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I watched the game. Florida played a lot better than people expected. Everyone thought Bama would run them outta the building. However, the game was competitive for the most part. Florida even held a lead early.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watched the game. Florida played a lot better than people expected. Everyone thought Bama would run them outta the building. However, the game was competitive for the most part. Florida even held a lead early.
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All because of defense. Bama would have hung 60 in Atl without them playing hard.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watched the game. Florida played a lot better than people expected. Everyone thought Bama would run them outta the building. However, the game was competitive for the most part. Florida even held a lead early.
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Kudos to Florida for keeping the score reasonably close. But that's all that was remotely close because Bama thoroughly dominated them as the stats demonstrate.

If Callaway doesn't bust the early 80+ yd punt return for a TD and they don't score the late meaningless/throwaway TD, the score more accurately reflects just how dominant Alabama was. For crying out loud D4H, Alabama even held the "second best running back in this year's draft class", Kelvin Taylor, to 8 yards on 7 carries.
 
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KBVol said:
Kudos to Florida for keeping the score reasonably close. But that's all that was remotely close because Bama thoroughly dominated them as the stats demonstrate.

If Callaway doesn't bust the early 80+ yd punt return for a TD and they don't score the late meaningless/throwaway TD, the score more accurately reflects just how dominant Alabama was. For crying out loud D4H, Alabama even held the "second best running back in this year's draft class", Kelvin Taylor, to 8 yards on 7 carries.
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Pretty spot on recap of SECCG.
 
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ScornedPapaVol said:
I can see your point. You wish Spurrier was our coach instead of Fulmer. Or Fulmer coached like Spurrier. Or you hope Butch begins to go for it like Spurrier.
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I think Spurrier trusted his players more than Fulmer and Butch. I don't think it's a coincidence that Dobbs' 2 best games (SCAR 14 & UGA 15) are when Butch had no choice but to let the offense go out and sling it around to try and catch up. Once we got the lead against UGA in 15 Butch again slows it down calling 3 running plays when a 1st down wins the game. Heck if I need a 1st down on 3rd and medium to seal the game I'm telling Wolf to go across the middle or pass it to Kamara in the flat and let him use speed to the outside. I'm not running Dobbs or Hurd up the middle or off tackle.
 
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KBVol said:
Kudos to Florida for keeping the score reasonably close. But that's all that was remotely close because Bama thoroughly dominated them as the stats demonstrate.

If Callaway doesn't bust the early 80+ yd punt return for a TD and they don't score the late meaningless/throwaway TD, the score more accurately reflects just how dominant Alabama was. For crying out loud D4H, Alabama even held the "second best running back in this year's draft class", Kelvin Taylor, to 8 yards on 7 carries.
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At no point did it look like UF had control of this game. Bama outclassed them and Saban actually went easy to reduce turnover possibility. Compare it to our game against Mizzou this year. We were the better them from the start and Butch never felt like he needed to take any risk to win that game. Only way Bama (or us) lose that game was if UF (or Mizzou) won the turnover battle by a large margin
 
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08vol said:
at no point did it look like uf had control of this game. Bama outclassed them and saban actually went easy to reduce turnover possibility. Compare it to our game against mizzou this year. We were the better them from the start and butch never felt like he needed to take any risk to win that game. Only way bama (or us) lose that game was if uf (or mizzou) won the turnover battle by a large margin
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watched the game. Florida played a lot better than people expected. Everyone thought Bama would run them outta the building. However, the game was competitive for the most part. Florida even held a lead early.
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Florida's defense played good for a quarter.

Callaway returned the punt for a TD and Bama collectively said......oh, you guys are serious? ok.

They then did what great teams do. Alabama, who didn't do anything offensively up to that point, went right down the field and put it in the endzone with relative ease. They dominated the football game from that point on.

But, all of this aside, people can't continue to do this. You can't argue how good Florida is/was in one argument and then proceed to describe just how bad they are on the other.

I, as you should know, believe it was the worst roster in my lifetime. I thought they overachieved and was beyond happy about the season. The final three games of the season did not ruin the miracle that I thought took place last year. Before the season, bowl eligibility was the goal. And, no, I'm not kidding.

Part of what gives me confidence this season is knowing just how bad they were and the amount of problems they had....and they won 10 games with that squad.
 
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FL the last couple of years has been the inverse of "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" Great athletes who have collectively underachieved as a team.
 
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Nasavol said:
FL the last couple of years has been the inverse of "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" Great athletes who have collectively underachieved as a team.
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Name an offensive player for Florida in the last 3 seasons that you thought was a great athlete/football player.
 
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