2016 Election

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If Jay Z ends up supporting Hillary, will the media freak out like they did about trump and the KKK?
 
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Gramps said:
No way I see anyone other than Trump pulling away and I doubt he does. The elections through March 15 are huge in this cycle, imo.
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Like I said, at a brokered convention, I think Trump has the advantage. He picks up an "establishment" candidate (other than Christie who's a lapdog waiting for scraps at the table) maybe Kasich (even though he said he doesn't want it) or maybe even Rubio (even with the back and forth as of late) as well as conceding some Cabinet level positions to "the establishment" and presses forward. Trump wins because he is the nominee, the establishment wins by being able to say in good faith they got Trump to change up a bit.

Trump, for all my insightful and neutral posting on him, is intelligent and pragmatic. And he knows he needs to unify the party in order to move forward. And again, this whole thing about the establishment being anti-Trump and Romney and the attack ads has done more to keep the GOP in the news and fired up than a plain old boring debates and primary elections. He is a negotiator and knows the only way out of this and into the general is with the support of everyone. And dealing is his only option.
 
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Burhead said:
Does it really matter though who finishes second or third? Florida after all is winner take all. I guess there is some symbolic meaning but I really don't see the benefit. Than again I'm not a campaign strategist.
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I don't agree with that last sentences Burhead. You are an impressive young man. I was really shocked when you stated your name last year. You are wise well beyond your years.


:hi:


Now we can get back to arguing. :)
 
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bnhunt said:
Nothing like a little good ole right-wing racism to get your Sunday morning started.
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Right. But by all means, play the race card. Oh, that's right she claimed to be something she isn't, but since she's liberal, it's OK. Got it. You are a real piece of work son. :eek:lol:
 
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Burhead said:
Does it really matter though who finishes second or third? Florida after all is winner take all. I guess there is some symbolic meaning but I really don't see the benefit. Than again I'm not a campaign strategist.
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I agree. I think it's just more of the same dirty nonsense being put out by Cruz. He can't win Florida, but he can try to make sure Rubio doesn't as well? He might as well hand the election over to Trump. And that's a pathetic strategy even if you aren't a campaign strategist.

Trump should have knocked Cruz out while he had the chance instead of going after Rubio.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I agree. I think it's just more of the same dirty nonsense being put out by Cruz. He can't win Florida, but he can try to make sure Rubio doesn't as well? He might as well hand the election over to Trump. And that's a pathetic strategy even if you aren't a campaign strategist.

Trump should have knocked Cruz out while he had the chance instead of going after Rubio.
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He was angry with Rubio for being the GOP golden boy.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Like I said, at a brokered convention, I think Trump has the advantage. He picks up an "establishment" candidate (other than Christie who's a lapdog waiting for scraps at the table) maybe Kasich (even though he said he doesn't want it) or maybe even Rubio (even with the back and forth as of late) as well as conceding some Cabinet level positions to "the establishment" and presses forward. Trump wins because he is the nominee, the establishment wins by being able to say in good faith they got Trump to change up a bit.

Trump, for all my insightful and neutral posting on him, is intelligent and pragmatic. And he knows he needs to unify the party in order to move forward. And again, this whole thing about the establishment being anti-Trump and Romney and the attack ads has done more to keep the GOP in the news and fired up than a plain old boring debates and primary elections. He is a negotiator and knows the only way out of this and into the general is with the support of everyone. And dealing is his only option.
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You may be very well correct. I saw a poll that showed Kasich ahead in Michigan. I he wins Michigan. He will win Ohio. If that happens the Establishment has found a candidate they can get behind that actually has a chance.

If Kasich does bad in MI and OH then your assessment holds more water.
 
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apevol said:
He was angry with Rubio for being the GOP golden boy.
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He was angry with Rubio calling him out on stage and...upstaging him. If you forgive the pun. Rubio came away on top in that debate for doing what nobody else had ever done. And that was putting Trump in a corner he couldn't fight out of. And Trump was pissed.

Now in the aftermath, I don't think Rubio should have gone into the personal attacks like he did and should have kept it at minor slights like the "Hair Force One" and the yoga comment at the last debate. You can't sling mud at Trump and not expect the same in return. He should have stuck to that debate message that Trump didn't have plans and told the people his plans.
 
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Gramps said:
You may be very well correct. I saw a poll that showed Kasich ahead in Michigan. I he wins Michigan. He will win Ohio. If that happens the Establishment has found a candidate they can get behind that actually has a chance.

If Kasich does bad in MI and OH then your assessment holds more water.
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Kasich only chance is a brokered convention right?
 
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Gramps said:
You may be very well correct. I saw a poll that showed Kasich ahead in Michigan. I he wins Michigan. He will win Ohio. If that happens the Establishment has found a candidate they can get behind that actually has a chance.

If Kasich does bad in MI and OH then your assessment holds more water.
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That ARG poll that showed Kasich ahead is an outlier. Two polls released this morning show Trump up 15+ in Michigan.
 
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Gramps said:
You may be very well correct. I saw a poll that showed Kasich ahead in Michigan. I he wins Michigan. He will win Ohio. If that happens the Establishment has found a candidate they can get behind that actually has a chance.

If Kasich does bad in MI and OH then your assessment holds more water.
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If by some miracle (yes, I'm a realist) Rubio wins Florida as well as the scenario you outlined above in the first paragraph, it's going to be a brokered convention. In which Cruz will lose because of four reasons:

1. The establishment doesn't like him
2. Nobody outside his campaign likes him
3. He has no record to stand on (a fact they love to point out with Rubio, but applies equally to Cruz)
4. His name isn't Trump, a la the front runner that can be negotiated with (something Cruz has never done)

Again, the establishment (nobody has ever defined that term BTW) knows they need Trump and Trump knows he needs them post convention. In this election cycle neither can win without the other.
 
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VolnJC said:
Kasich only chance is a brokered convention right?
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Yes.

I think the only chance anyone has at this point without a brokered convention would be Trump and he will have to win the vast majority of the remains states.

That is why I say the primaries now - March 15 is vital. If on the 15th Trump wins FL and OH he is well on his way. If not a brokered convention is coming.
 
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Gramps said:
Yes.

I think the only chance anyone has at this point without a brokered convention would be Trump and he will have to win the vast majority of the remains states.

That is why I say the primaries now - March 15 is vital. If on the 15th Trump wins FL and OH he is well on his way. If not a brokered convention is coming.
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I have no idea what to expect...the polls have been terrible this cycle..especially in the caucus states..Cruz has performed better than his polling in almost every state recentl.
 
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Gramps said:
Yes.

I think the only chance anyone has at this point without a brokered convention would be Trump and he will have to win the vast majority of the remains states.

That is why I say the primaries now - March 15 is vital. If on the 15th Trump wins FL and OH he is well on his way. If not a brokered convention is coming.
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I don't see Trump taking Ohio. Kasich should take that one.

Of course, nothing has happened so far in this election that one might construe as "reasonable" so I will stand on the "should" portion of that prediction.
 
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VolnJC said:
I have no idea what to expect...the polls have been terrible this cycle..especially in the caucus states..Cruz has performed better than his polling in almost every state recentl.
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It's all about organization and enthusiasm, especially in caucus states. Cruz has both at this point.
 
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UTCVol said:
In this new NBC poll Bernie Sanders beats Trump in Michigan 56-34. Clinton 52-36.
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These type of polls now are as useless as teets on a boar hog.

Most people don't even know who is running for POTUS at this time other the the TV commercials that interrupts the show they are viewing.
 
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Gramps said:
These type of polls now are as useless as teets on a boar hog.

Most people don't even know who is running for POTUS at this time other the the TV commercials that interrupts the show they are viewing.
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You're sadly correct
 
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