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1972 Grad said:
I was just answering a question as to why conservatives were supporting Trump. They have been repeatedly lied to by their party. They absolutely do not trust the Republican establishment.
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So they react by championing a guy who might as well be a Democrat? I guess that's one way to do it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They are supporting him because he's saying exactly what they want to hear. And not even questioning the motives one tiny bit. Or even digging in just a tiny bit below the surface.
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.....and to my point, Trump, Cruz, and Carson got the lion's share of the early polling. Hardly 3 members of the Republican establishment.
 
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1972 Grad said:
.....and to my point, Trump, Cruz, and Carson got the lion's share of the early polling. Hardly 3 members of the Republican establishment.
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You're an old man. Can you ever remember a primary election where you had five GOP candidates, four of which are doing fairly well, going into Super Tuesday?

Not evading your point, just figure you might know.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They are supporting him because he's saying exactly what they want to hear. And not even questioning the motives one tiny bit. Or even digging in just a tiny bit below the surface.
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1972 Grad is right.
The republican and democratic parties are piles of prehistoric amphibian ****. The problems they cause and continue to cause is tragic. Will Trump fix it.. he might. Will Trump destroy it.. he might do that too. Either one is fine with me. He fixes it.. great. He destroys it.. well.. I'd rather die a fast death than this slow tortuous death the dems and pubs have america on now. And they will never fix anything.
 
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UTCVol said:
So they react by championing a guy who might as well be a Democrat? I guess that's one way to do it.
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I don't remember hearing any recent Democrat using that same rhetoric talking about gun rights, illegal immigration, trade tariffs, Muslims, Iran and China. Which Democrat does he mostly resemble on those issues?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You're an old man. Can you ever remember a primary election where you had five GOP candidates, four of which are doing fairly well, going into Super Tuesday?

Not evading your point, just figure you might know.
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I'm not an old man in my mind! This year is a whole 'nother election year, unlike any other. I liked it better years ago. Watching the conventions , not knowing what deals would be negotiated, and not knowing who would be the nominee until they voted on the floor.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Not that long ago he had a completely different stance on immigration. And if you're being honest with yourself, his words and actions don't match on jobs going overseas.

Which is why I asked what makes people believe trump will govern as a conservative.
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Good thing the New York Times has a recording of Trump reveling his true stance on immigration.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't remember hearing any recent Democrat using that same rhetoric talking about gun rights, illegal immigration, trade tariffs, Muslims, Iran and China. Which Democrat does he mostly resemble on those issues?
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On trade he sounds more like Bernie Sanders than any other candidate. That isn't a good thing.

His foreign policy rhetoric is red meat to the base, but in actuality he'll be running to the left of Hillary on these issues. I'm fine with it, but it doesn't sound like a "Republican" foreign policy.

Add in a hazy healthcare plan where "everybody will be covered" by the government, rampant spending, and his flip-flops on social issues and you have someone who is not very conservative on many issues. He even has Republicans defending Planned Parenthood, something I never thought I'd see. If people are willing to believe that he's changed, so be it. But there's a reason most conservative figures aren't backing him, and it has to do with the fact that he's done a 180 on his policies.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I'm not an old man in my mind! This year is a whole 'nother election year, unlike any other. I liked it better years ago. Watching the conventions , not knowing what deals would be negotiated, and not knowing who would be the nominee until they voted on the floor.
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I don't remember one like this, but then again, I was born after you graduated. :)

Being serious for a moment, I'm wondering if this is why the numbers are so skewed in one direction. Generally there are maybe two candidates that are at the forefront at this point like you saw with Hillary and Obama in 2008. Or Romney and Gingrich in 2012.

But removing two of Kasich, Rubio or Cruz from the equation would bump the numbers into a real race between Trump and the one left over.
 
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UTCVol said:
On trade he sounds more like Bernie Sanders than any other candidate. That isn't a good thing.

His foreign policy rhetoric is red meat to the base, but in actuality he'll be running to the left of Hillary on these issues. I'm fine with it, but it doesn't sound like a "Republican" foreign policy.

Add in a hazy healthcare plan where "everybody will be covered" by the government, rampant spending, and his flip-flops on social issues and you have someone who is not very conservative on many issues. He even has Republicans defending Planned Parenthood, something I never thought I'd see. If people are willing to believe that he's changed, so be it. But there's a reason most conservative figures aren't backing him, and it has to do with the fact that he's done a 180 on his policies.
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I didn't vote for him, but I will before I vote for an establishment candidate of either party. They are 2 sides of the same coin, and that coin is swirling down the drain.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't remember one like this, but then again, I was born after you graduated. :)

Being serious for a moment, I'm wondering if this is why the numbers are so skewed in one direction. Generally there are maybe two candidates that are at the forefront at this point like you saw with Hillary and Obama in 2008. Or Romney and Gingrich in 2012.

But removing two of Kasich, Rubio or Cruz from the equation would bump the numbers into a real race between Trump and the one left over.
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Trump is unstoppable for the nomination, unless they kill him. Unfortunately, they may. There are a lot of important people who stand to lose a lot if he gets in.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Trump is unstoppable for the nomination, unless they kill him. Unfortunately, they may. There are a lot of important people who stand to lose a lot if he gets in.
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I honestly think after tomorrow you might see Carson and Kasich drop. I know Kasich vowed to be in until the Ohio primary, but he might see the writing on the wall.

Cruz is another potential if he doesn't take Texas for some odd reason. You narrow the field and I think you end up seeing a more traditional race.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly think after tomorrow you might see Carson and Kasich drop. I know Kasich vowed to be in until the Ohio primary, but he might see the writing on the wall.

Cruz is another potential if he doesn't take Texas for some odd reason. You narrow the field and I think you end up seeing a more traditional race.
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Honestly, the only hope seems to be that the candidates not named Trump can cobble enough delegates together to prevent him from winning outright. Cruz winning TX would be huge, and Rubio should run 2nd in most primaries. OH is winner-take-all, and a Kasich win there would be enormous.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly think after tomorrow you might see Carson and Kasich drop. I know Kasich vowed to be in until the Ohio primary, but he might see the writing on the wall.

Cruz is another potential if he doesn't take Texas for some odd reason. You narrow the field and I think you end up seeing a more traditional race.
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If there had not been so many in the field, Trump wouldn't be so far in front, but I think he would still be in front.
 
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Grand Vol said:
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You might disagree though. :)
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He's pretty cute
 
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apevol said:
You better.
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly think after tomorrow you might see Carson and Kasich drop. I know Kasich vowed to be in until the Ohio primary, but he might see the writing on the wall.

Cruz is another potential if he doesn't take Texas for some odd reason. You narrow the field and I think you end up seeing a more traditional race.
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What about Rubio? Is he projected to win his home state of Florida?
 
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1972 Grad said:
I didn't vote for him, but I will before I vote for an establishment candidate of either party. They are 2 sides of the same coin, and that coin is swirling down the drain.
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I've said I'll vote for him before Hillary or Bernie. But I believe Trump is a fraud and is playing desperate conservatives for fools.
 
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