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VolsNSkinsFan said:
And lol at kicking gang bangers and drug dealers out as a negative impact on the economy
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Lol yeah because they are all gang bangers and drug dealers... I know quite a few "illegal immigrants". I have a couple of friends that were brought over to the United States illegally by their parents when they were toddlers. Grew up with me through elementary school all the way through high school. English is their first language and the United States is the only place they've ever known. It's their home. They don't remember what Mexico or Honduras was like because they were too young to remember because they were only a few years old. Yes these people are here illegally but it wasn't their choice to come over here illegally, it was their parents choice. Their parents just like every parent just wants a better life for their kids. Should they have came over her legally with their kids? Yeah it would have been the legal thing to do but it's not as easy as it sounds.

Like it or not there or more people like that, that are ingrained into our society than there are thugs, drug dealers, and gang members.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I would 100% fall in that category. I recall another nationalist who's citizens were later keep in by a wall.
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First time you advanced my point. I feel honored.

Im for the border being secured. If that requires a structure so be it. If it can be done without one, thats fine too.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I think most of those against it don't care about the method, they don't want it in the first place.
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But there lies the problem. It's a pipe dream that the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill on. I would love to see far stricter immigration enforcement, but not as $20 billion worth to build this wonderful wall. Because tariff or no tariff, Mexico isn't paying for it.

However, the idea and concept of Mexico paying for it "or else" is nothing more than red meat to the masses.
 
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That's a nice story stoked. Hopefully your friends stay on the straight and narrow, b/c I'd hate to see them go but the gangs which are big in metropolitan areas need to go immediately. Once the hard core criminals are gone, then we can figure out what to do with your friends
 
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volinbham said:
I could see him winning or losing against her.
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That sounds like a Madden quote: "He can run the ball, he can throw the ball, or he can run and throw the ball."

Or maybe it is more of a Yogi Berra. "When you get to a fork in the road, take it."
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
That's a nice story stoked. Hopefully your friends stay on the straight and narrow, b/c I'd hate to see them go but the gangs which are big in metropolitan areas need to go immediately. Once the hard core criminals are gone, then we can figure out what to do with your friends
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No one is advocating on their behalf. Most illegals would love to see the gangs in their neighborhoods gone as well
 
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Grand Vol said:
But there lies the problem. It's a pipe dream that the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill on. I would love to see far stricter immigration enforcement, but not as $20 billion worth to build this wonderful wall. Because tariff or no tariff, Mexico isn't paying for it.

However, the idea and concept of Mexico paying for it "or else" is nothing more than red meat to the masses.
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The reality of which will hit home sooner rather than later with less than ideal results to put it gently
 
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Grand Vol said:
But there lies the problem. It's a pipe dream that the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill on. I would love to see far stricter immigration enforcement, but not as $20 billion worth to build this wonderful wall. Because tariff or no tariff, Mexico isn't paying for it.

However, the idea and concept of Mexico paying for it "or else" is nothing more than red meat to the masses.
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Im not sure how you took what I posted and got there. Im not arguing that. Only that most that are against a wall don't want it even if its free.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not sure how you took what I posted and got there. Im not arguing that. Only that most that are against a wall don't want it even if its free.
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And that's something I agree with. But I think others are pragmatic in their opposition because they know the bill will end up right back where it started. And the taxpayer getting bent over.

Again, I'm not in opposition to the wall or enhanced security. What I am in opposition to is the way it's being advertised. Sorry if you took my post as you inferring anything other than you wrote. It was not my intention.
 
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A wall is not really needed, make the penalties so harsh no one will hire an illegal and don't let an illegal get 1 cent of government benefits and they will leave
 
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Grand Vol said:
And that's something I agree with. But I think others are pragmatic in their opposition because they know the bill will end up right back where it started. And the taxpayer getting bent over.

Again, I'm not in opposition to the wall or enhanced security. What I am in opposition to is the way it's being advertised. Sorry if you took my post as you inferring anything other than you wrote. It was not my intention.
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We just got a little crossed up. Probably had more to do with my explanation. :thumbsup:

For the record I don't think it ever happens. A lot of what politicians run on never does, and in this case mainly because of what you explained with the tab.
 
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How smart is Donald J. Trump?

He's not only somehow duped serious national media into legitimizing and dignifying his campaign of casual bigotry and hate by treating him as a serious presidential candidate, but he's also duped millions of Americans into thinking that illegal immigration, a problem that was much more demanding two decades ago, is the biggest problem facing this country today.

So either Donald J. Trump is smarter than the rest of us, or we're all just so stupid it doesn't make any difference whether he's smarter or not.
 
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volprof said:
How smart is Donald J. Trump?

He's not only somehow duped serious national media into legitimizing and dignifying his campaign of casual bigotry and hate by treating him as a serious presidential candidate, but he's also duped millions of Americans into thinking that illegal immigration, a problem that was much more demanding two decades ago, is the biggest problem facing this country today.

So either Donald J. Trump is smarter than the rest of us, or we're all just so stupid it doesn't make any difference whether he's smarter or not.
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I fully believe the dude is laughing his behind off in private, right before he starts swimming in his gold vault a la Scrooge McDuck.
 
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volprof said:
How smart is Donald J. Trump?

He's not only somehow duped serious national media into legitimizing and dignifying his campaign of casual bigotry and hate by treating him as a serious presidential candidate, but he's also duped millions of Americans into thinking that illegal immigration, a problem that was much more demanding two decades ago, is the biggest problem facing this country today.

So either Donald J. Trump is smarter than the rest of us, or we're all just so stupid it doesn't make any difference whether he's smarter or not.
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How is that any different than Cankles?
 
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volprof said:
How smart is Donald J. Trump?

He's not only somehow duped serious national media into legitimizing and dignifying his campaign of casual bigotry and hate by treating him as a serious presidential candidate, but he's also duped millions of Americans into thinking that illegal immigration, a problem that was much more demanding two decades ago, is the biggest problem facing this country today.

So either Donald J. Trump is smarter than the rest of us, or we're all just so stupid it doesn't make any difference whether he's smarter or not.
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That's what always cracks me up about his constant references to "I've only spent $X amount on campaign and Candidate Y spent enough to choke a rhino."

No kidding guy, you don't need to spend money when the media is constantly saying "WTF did Donald just say?" and reporting on it for days on end. So wham, bam, thank you ma'am, free coverage and free campaign exposure. And other than the Pope comments the other day, he really hasn't gone off the deep end making comments since getting a comfortable lead. He has run a brilliant campaign by making the media report on him and give him the most exposure of any candidate.

So yes, he is really smart by making as controversial comments as he can and letting the media campaign for him.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I'm a Cruz guy and will vote for him in Florida. But he has made mistakes and those have hurt him. After Iowa, he should've have done far more to reach out to Libertarian voters in general and Rand Paul voters specifically. Instead, he continued in an overly-narrow focus on evangelical voters.

A large part of Cruz's message should have been about religious, social, and economic freedom and the threat the establishment poses against those freedoms and the Bill of Rights. This message would have been well-received on both religious and secular fronts.

His decision to focus his efforts on the evangelical voter have boxed him in much the same way they got Huckabee in the previous election cycles.

Another thing that turns people off about Cruz is his need to convince people he is the smartest man in the room at all times. This leads to lengthy answers in debates and lengthy speeches after campaigns that people tend to tune out. Trump and Rubio understand the importance of the short sound-byte. Cruz has yet to get it.

The other thing is this: you can't engage in Marquess of Queensbury rules in a hockey brawl. You can put yourself on a pedestal and proclaim yourself above the fray. But that doesn't do you any good when Dave Schultz or Bob Probert shows up to jack your jaw with either his fist or his CCM stick.

You aren't going to win votes in a nasty election getting your ass kicked by the goon in an effort to look "presidential." Your side will feel sorry for you. But that will not win you any extra support. If playing nice won this kind of election, then Ben Carson would be leading in a landslide.
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I don't agree with much of your positions but I agree with this.

I'd add that the smartest man in the room complex is terrible for leadership. You always want to to surround yourself with smarter people (and listen to them).

Also, you left the doucheness out. Not sure he can fix that though.
 
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Grand Vol said:
That's what always cracks me up about his constant references to "I've only spent $X amount on campaign and Candidate Y spent enough to choke a rhino."

No kidding guy, you don't need to spend money when the media is constantly saying "WTF did Donald just say?" and reporting on it for days on end. So wham, bam, thank you ma'am, free coverage and free campaign exposure. And other than the Pope comments the other day, he really hasn't gone off the deep end making comments since getting a comfortable lead. He has run a brilliant campaign by making the media report on him and give him the most exposure of any candidate.

So yes, he is really smart by making as controversial comments as he can and letting the media campaign for him.
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The more the media and rest of the field throw rocks, it seems like he gets even more traction.
 
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