Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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tng8r said:
not sure if anyone posted this yet or not....
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Ha! Love that photo of Jim in regalia, as if he's got an academic bone in his body! :)

Ain't nothin' need building at Florida. Muschamp was as incompetent on the sideline as Mr. McGoo, but he didn't burn all the recruiting bridges in three states, drive attendance to lows not seen in ages, and piss off all the Gator player alumni (part of whom hold their reunions in the state penitentiary, of course, heh).

No, old Academic Jim may have had to rebuild a program at Colorado State, but he darn sure knows he didn't have to do it at Florida when he arrived. Just straighten out some attitudes, patch together an OLine, and win him some games, that's all he had to do. :good!:
 
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jbr82 said:
Vandy had all those losing seasons with less talent and CJF came in:
Yr 1= 6-7
Yr 2= 9-4
Yr 3= 9-4
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They don't play in the SEC or have to play Florida and Georgia every year. Wait, what? Nevermind......
 
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I would definitely cut that back a couple of years...it does matter what kind of talent you inherit but it's usually a hard sell to get the top players your first year recruiting (was it Von Bell who visited UT but decided to go to OSU?). You have a good bit of attrition after the first year and should be able to sign a large class your second and third recruiting classes but will end up playing many freshmen...when you can red shirt talent instead of just red shirting kids who aren't ready to play, then you have an SEC roster...I think UT will be there next yaer and it will be more on coaching...year 4 we should be in the SECCG...
 
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Here's my opinion - not that you guys give a hokey crap - If McElwain (Florida) had a few players from UT's O-Line, Hurd and 2 of UT's receivers, they would win it all this year.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Obviously his predecessor left them stocked with talent.
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Hehe, you joke, but I actually remember reading some articles back when Franklin was in Nashville talking about exactly that. About how good a recruiter Bobby Johnson was (in Vandy terms), bringing in enough talent to compete, and it only taking Franklin's arrival to have someone who knew how to get results from that talent.

I'm not arguing it's true or it's false, but I do clearly remember those arguments being made.
 
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ALGator said:
Here's my opinion - not that you guys give a hokey crap - If McElwain (Florida) had a few players from UT's O-Line, Hurd and 2 of UT's receivers, they would win it all this year.
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I don't think he would without a better QB...he had the right kid but then lost him due to an over the counter product (and that's BS in my opinion)...
 
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EZE said:
He is not saying it takes 6-7 years to win or compete for championships. What I think he is saying is that it takes that much time to have your culture completely in place and have quality numbers at every position.
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I heard the interview. He definitely was talking about a "program".

He did not say that long to win, compete etc...

Not going to read anymore posts right now but you are correct. Even the excerpt is misleading compared to what he was talking about - Being so deep that when any man or two go down, just send the next man in without issue.
A true program.
If anyone is on here pretending he said otherwise, they are trolling for their daily web fights.
 
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Fulmer won his first SEC title in his 5th season...but he inherited much better talent (many of which he recruited as a coordinator - Phil was a great recruiter)...
 
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ALGator said:
Here's my opinion - not that you guys give a hokey crap - If McElwain (Florida) had a few players from UT's O-Line, Hurd and 2 of UT's receivers, they would win it all this year.
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Yah, and if the Vols had one mulligan per game, we'd be 6-2 or better, sitting atop the East, a contender for the SEC and national championships.

What-ifs are awesome. :good!:
 
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Boca Vol said:
Make it easy? No, what makes it easy is when people put the coach before the program. There were people on here just like you that defended Dools to the end.
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Only a true fool would think pointing outright falsehoods is putting the coach ahead of the program. But hey if the shoe fits.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yah, and if the Vols had one mulligan per game, we'd be 6-2 or better, sitting atop the East, a contender for the SEC and national championships.

What-ifs are awesome. :good!:
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I am going to ride the wins to close out the season and enjoy what is left. One mulligan per game might get us to 8-0.
 
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crusse10 said:
*you're

And yes. I'm very happy to see that the Vols are in the midst of substantial upward trajectory.
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I did get the too right. I am happy as well, for the same reason. But at the same time, it's a missed opportunity.

I heard this once before, paraphrasing ..... Often a person doesn't know how bad they have it, until someone else tells them.

I'm about to tell you, to ever be happy at 4-4, is sad, all to itself.

I'm too grumpy after a loss, it's the only thing that matters.
 
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flatiron said:
Would you consider 2 nine win seasons before reverting back to losing ways "building a program"?
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I think it was the NFL QB that made the difference, along with the whole SEC east was down. That is Vandy, a path, not the destination. You would think by now they could have created their own coach.

Someone that would look at Vandy as a "Dream Job". (Is blue font needed)
 
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